[NL2-NL10] NL25 - I Hate QQ

    • Kknight
      Kknight
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      Joined: 30.04.2007 Posts: 374
      I have been getting QQ a statistically high number of times recently (it has recently become my most frequent pocket pair by a statistically significant margin.) Unfortunately, I have lost with QQ the last 7 or 8 times I've been dealt it. Ughh!!!

      Hand 1:
      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed)

      UTG ($34.35)
      UTG+1 ($28.20)
      MP1 ($25)
      MP2 ($10)
      MP3 ($13.65)
      CO ($24.30)
      Button ($28.85)
      Hero ($4.75)
      BB ($26.70)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q:spade: , Q:heart: .
      [color:#CC3333]UTG raises to $0.75[/color], [color:#666666]6 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises to $2.5[/color], [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], UTG calls $1.75.

      Flop: ($5.25) K:diamond: , 4:diamond: , K:spade: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]Hero bets $2.25 (All-In)[/color], UTG calls $2.25.

      Turn: ($9.75) A:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)[/color]

      River: ($9.75) 9:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)[/color]

      Final Pot: $9.75

      I'm OOP, but I have less than 1/2 pot left in my stack and the fact that there are two K's on the board means it is less likely for him to have one. I think I have to push the flop regardless. My read was correct, but he sucked out anyway :rolleyes:


      Hand 2:
      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed)

      Button ($28.30)
      SB ($14.25)
      BB ($8.65)
      UTG ($9.80)
      Hero ($4.90)
      MP1 ($16.15)
      MP2 ($4.95)
      CO ($30.25)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q:club: , Q:heart: .
      [color:#CC3333]UTG raises to $1[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises to $3[/color], [color:#666666]6 folds[/color], UTG calls $2.

      Flop: ($6.35) 9:spade: , 5:diamond: , K:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#CC3333]UTG bets $6.8 (All-In)[/color], Hero calls $1.90 (All-In).

      Turn: ($10.15) 7:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players, 2 all-in)[/color]

      River: ($10.15) 2:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players, 2 all-in)[/color]

      Final Pot: $10.15

      I know there is a debate about whether it is better to push preflop in these re-raise cases, but I have found that in general, people respect my re-raise more if I just do a "standard" 3x their raise. I've gotten far more folds since I switched to that than I did when I pushed for a re-raise. Too often they put you on AK when you push. In any case, this guy wouldn't have folded to a preflop push anyway.

      On the flop, I don't think there's any point in folding for better than 4:1 pot odds with one overcard and a two-tone board...right? I'm definitely pot committed here.

      Thanks,
      Kknight
  • 5 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Both hands are nicely played
    • Berliner1982
      Berliner1982
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      Joined: 12.07.2006 Posts: 5,644
      I like both hands. :)

      But I have a different point of view regarding if its better to push preflop these hands or make a normal re-raise, since I had a nice discussion with Phil Gordon about it yesterday. I might will talk about it in my coaching on Tuesday. Otherwise I will tell you in my email to your emailrespond later on. ;)
    • Puschkin81
      Puschkin81
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      Joined: 14.04.2006 Posts: 4,786
      Hi Kknight!

      Hand 1) Nice hand! Nothing to discuss because you already explained it well.

      Hand 2) I would push here because some players think it's a desperation all-in from a short stack and don't necessarily put you on a strong hand and thus call you with weaker hands. A 3x raise looks very suspicious because you are pot committed anyway. Other thoughts?

      Good luck at the tables!
      Puschkin81
    • Kknight
      Kknight
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      Joined: 30.04.2007 Posts: 374
      Thanks for the replies all.

      Berliner - I very much look forward to the point of view from Phil Gordon :D

      Puschkin - I still go back and forth on this point a bit since a $3 raise with a $5 stack is right at the borderline of not quite 2/3 stack...and a $5 all-in push seems a bit like an overbet. I used to push all-in in these situations, but it seems that I've been getting better results since switching to a $3 re-raise...I make this play though with the understanding that I'm pot committed and have to push almost any flop if I get called. Tough decision though...I'm still open to other thoughts ;)

      Thanks,
      Kknight
    • Berliner1982
      Berliner1982
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      Joined: 12.07.2006 Posts: 5,644
      Originally posted by Kknight
      Thanks for the replies all.

      Berliner - I very much look forward to the point of view from Phil Gordon :D
      In my emailrespond to you next email my friend. :D ;) And you will also read some stuff in a few days on the mainpage. ;)