No Limit Holdem Theory and Practice

    • Depor07
      Depor07
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      I just started reading No Limit Holdem Theory and Practice By David Sklansky and Ed Miller. I have to say after 50 pages Im ready to give up poker. I know nothing! The complexities that I have been completely oblivious to, even since I became an 'educated player', by reading a bunch of books a few years ago, are enormous.
      I honestly have to question my whole playing future, sure I win the occasional small stakes tourney, Im good in the single tables and when I feel like I can beat the rake at the local casino. To get to that next level it is now dawning on me is a mountain to climb.
      Does anyone actually calculate the bet sizes on opponents possible draws? I usually either bet the pot or a part of the pot realying on pot odds. Anyway didnt want to get into the nitty gritty, just let you know the above text Im sure will help me, as Davids other books have, but honestly I think I need to find some fixd limit games, if they still exist, cause this no limit game is way more complex than I ever imagined.
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    • Bierbaer
      Bierbaer
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      Hey,

      first of all: Dont become desperate! :D
      Poker definitely is an extremely complex game and there are people who are absurdly good at it playing 20 tables at a time and still managing to make perfect plays all the time.

      BUT: There are people like this in any kind of mental excercise (or basically everything there is, for that matter).
      Sure, if you want to hang around on the nosebleed stakes you have to know a lot, but one of the beauties of Poker is, that you only need to be better than the average player on your table, to win.
      This doesn't mean you shouldn't strive for further improvement of your game, but it means you can be confident on your current limit and take things in a pace that fits you.

      It's actually a big step you took realizing the things you don't know yet, a lot of people never reach this stage.

      One more thing:
      Usually you can't calculate all that stuff you mentioned (betsizes against draws) on the table.
      This is the work you have to put in aside from playing to get a general knowledge about how different hands (draws, top pair, sets, etc) in different spots.
      The more you have a general knowledge of hand distributions, hand reading, ranges and equities, the more you will be able to make better decisions overall.

      Hope that helps you :)

      Best regards
      Bierbaer
    • elquimico
      elquimico
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      Joined: 18.08.2009 Posts: 1,055
      Hi, I speak spanish and I,m reading that book right now.

      Can you help me translating me this paragraph?:

      (A conclusion worth nothing is that $600 will always be better than $550 in this scenario, as it offers double the profit potential. Your opponent would have to call $600 less thab half as often as $550 to make the smaller better, and in practice, that will almost never happen.)

      I don't know what you mean with:"A conclusionworth nothing".

      Or, can you explainme the whole paragraph with other words in english?


      Page 50.

      Please.


      Thanks
    • Shevtshenko
      Shevtshenko
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      Joined: 06.12.2009 Posts: 4,088
      The way to improve with those books you read is to try out those things that you've read about. Try floating on different boards, try 3betting with different betsizing, try bluffing in 3bet pots etc. Once you notice how people are reacting to your new lines you can start exploiting them to maximum and making more money. So when you feel overwhelmed by the new information, try out few of those tricks that you think you've understood. See if they work (on a decent samplesize!!) and incorporate it in your game. Then take the next one...

      Atleast for me, it was an amazing feeling when I for the first time three barrel bluffed with pure air against an fish that check/snapcalled twice on a flushdraw board and check/folded the river to small bet. :f_cool:

      GL and have fun experimenting!
    • elquimico
      elquimico
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      Originally posted by Shevtshenko
      The way to improve with those books you read is to try out those things that you've read about. Try floating on different boards, try 3betting with different betsizing, try bluffing in 3bet pots etc. Once you notice how people are reacting to your new lines you can start exploiting them to maximum and making more money. So when you feel overwhelmed by the new information, try out few of those tricks that you think you've understood. See if they work (on a decent samplesize!!) and incorporate it in your game. Then take the next one...

      Atleast for me, it was an amazing feeling when I for the first time three barrel bluffed with pure air against an fish that check/snapcalled twice on a flushdraw board and check/folded the river to small bet. :f_cool:

      GL and have fun experimenting!
      +1 but help me with my question.

      PLEASE
    • Waiboy
      Waiboy
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      Joined: 18.09.2008 Posts: 4,877
      Originally posted by elquimico
      Hi, I speak spanish and I,m reading that book right now.

      Can you help me translating me this paragraph?:

      (A conclusion worth nothing is that $600 will always be better than $550 in this scenario, as it offers double the profit potential. Your opponent would have to call $600 less thab half as often as $550 to make the smaller better, and in practice, that will almost never happen.)

      I don't know what you mean with:"A conclusionworth nothing".

      Or, can you explainme the whole paragraph with other words in english?


      Page 50.

      Please.


      Thanks
      I'm assuming the phrase is "A conclusion worth noting", not "nothing"?

      This just means there is value in remembering the point of the statement.

      I don't own the text so I can't help you with the meaning of this paragraph though.

      Hope this helps a little. :f_biggrin:
    • elquimico
      elquimico
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      Thanks Wailboy...

      Thank you very much... The word is "noting", not "nothing". That's why I did't understand. lol :] :] .

      Anyway you help me a lot. I was trying to undestand, but...


      Thanks a lot :f_cool:
    • Depor07
      Depor07
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      Joined: 15.06.2010 Posts: 28
      Hi Bieber
      Yeh thanks, I was just a bit overwelmed by the complexity. Im wanting to improve my game and taking it a bit more serious putting in a bit more effort away from the tables.
      Thanks for the reply.