advice from live players

    • bradomurder
      bradomurder
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      well i've started playing live poker more and it is CRAZY at the brisbane casino. I was there for about 5 hours the other night and 1 hand was decided preflop. Just 1. Don't worry i'm not complaining.

      almost every flop that gets raised gets 3+ callers even though the raises are up to 7-8bb in most cases.

      My friend reckons he makes money at them playing about 40% of hands raising about 30% but i'm not completely sure he does over a large sample.

      I play standard "online" strategy and so far have made money but its hard to get any sort of sample.

      The problem I have is raising a hand like AQ and almost never getting HU or 3way on the flop (with a huge pot).

      what do you guys do in this situation? raise bigger still? raise hands that do well in multiway pots?

      I don't rate my postflop skills as "perfect" so I battle with AQ in a multiway situation
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    • eszibit
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      damn,i was hoping for some replies in this thread
    • onepark
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      Hi,

      I occasionally play in Star City in Sydney.
      $1/$2 ring.

      and yes if you raise 3xbb or even 4xbb every one calls with any face cards, suited cards. so when i do i normally raise $15 bux with AQ+ QQ+

      than I Cbet very aggressively (2/3 pot) and most people folds.

      But than again I dont have such large samples.

      hope this help :)

      edit: if they call your Cbet, I will just give up, unless I improve on the turn or I have TPTK
      coz these guys will call you down with any top pairs :)
    • bradomurder
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      Yeah I've been raising big with good starting hands but I honestly feel like i'm burnig money by never getting shorthanded enough to play it profitably postflop and i'm not really comfortable betting into 3 or 4 loose players on the flop when i've missed.
    • propokerking253
      propokerking253
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      Do you continue betting\raising agressively ,
      or do you considirate if the flop cards helped your hand to improve or not -
      if flop cards did not help your hand will you bet\raise less agressively?
    • zhenzhenZHEN
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      raise big before flop, hit tptk, bet bet shove

      or just check/fold everything else

      (they will never notice)
    • santostr
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      I got a table like that in the weekly tourney I play. We have 50% of the people that know a little bit about pre-flop and 50% of complete fish. Last week my table was like 6 fish, me and a decent player.
      Realy boring, hard to play. I mean, It's profitable, but not fun at all.

      One crazy hand I shoved AA, got called by JJ, KK and KJs. KJs flushed and cracked the aces. Ok, rebuy.
      I got AA again :) , big raise, 3 callers, cbet, 1 guy calls down to the river.
      Then I shove 20bb with JJ after 3 limpers, finaly heads-up, but cracked by K3o.

      I think in tourneys it's harder, cause when you get short all you can do is look for a 70-30, 65-35 situation and get the money in. High variance.

      I'll keep playing like that. Raising big with monsters, cbet/broke when hit, c/f when don't. Get cheap flops (that's realy easy) with small PP and SC.
      Ow, and if you manage to get HU (yeah, that's rare) with a regular and have the oportunity to bluf, show the bluf. Fishes will call you down even lighter...

      Like zhenzhenZHEN said, they will never notice.
    • Meemawuk
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      I tend to play pretty passive in super loose live games. And when I have a made hand I'll get aggressive. I'll raise with aj or 10's or better. Big aces I raise to build pot and I'll almost never continue against a super loose player unless I hit the board. I never continue into 3 or more players if I miss. I find that my play is more about getting value for strong hands than outplaying people. You can't outplay people who can't fold middle/bottom pair or a gutshot.

      People often remark that my play is so obvious and I could play cards up. The fact is the game is held in a casino and most of these ultraloose players are gamblers and will pay you off even when your play is obvious.
    • ZeMammuth
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      Sorry to say this guys, but if you guys are complaining about fish saying the game isn't profitable, you guys are the biggest fish at the table. I've pld live around 30 sessions at casinos and yes there are lots of call station fish, however 70 percent of the sessions where profitable, and very profitable 300 bi+

      I am prob up 30 buy in in 30 session at nL100 and 200...


      It's simple and just stay patient. Simple poker wins
    • santostr
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      Originally posted by santostr
      I mean, It's profitable, but not fun at all.
      I still play for fun. Simple poker is not that fun to me.
      Besides, there is not much to learn playing like that.


      Well, I also said it was hard to play. That was a mistake. It isn't. But it does increase variance, witch is hitting me live, so it sucks.
      Perhaps it is a way to improve my mindset.
    • conall88
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      going to work isn't fun, but its profitable :rolleyes:
    • chenny8888
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      i used to isoraise and try to punish the limpers but with "just" 100bb max buyin you really don't have enough room to do that. optimal strategy i believe would be to limp behind liberally in position, and isoraise HUGE preflop. then postflop vb/vb/vb with the top5% hand that you isoraised with.
    • bradomurder
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      Originally posted by ZeMammuth
      Sorry to say this guys, but if you guys are complaining about fish saying the game isn't profitable, you guys are the biggest fish at the table. I've pld live around 30 sessions at casinos and yes there are lots of call station fish, however 70 percent of the sessions where profitable, and very profitable 300 bi+

      I am prob up 30 buy in in 30 session at nL100 and 200...


      It's simple and just stay patient. Simple poker wins
      None of us said it isn't profitable. In fact I hate it when the table has regs at it. I was just looking for advice on the best strategy.

      One thing i'll add is make sure you look ahead before limping to see if anyone is going to raise preflop. most people usually show it pretty early. The regs will spot this too so try not to do it. (The one tell i've managed to use)