Live cash poker. Odd underraise situation

    • Meemawuk
      Meemawuk
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      Okay i was playing cash last night and an odd situation occurred between two shortstacks in a 1/2 game.

      Player 1 £26.50
      Player 2 £50
      Player 3 £20

      Player 1 raises utg to 12 it folds round to player 2 in the small
      Blind who calls then player 3 in the big Blind shoves for 20.

      Can player 1 shove for his £6.50 more or is he held to call or fold because of the underraise? I know that in most situations, if he was deeper he could not make a raise but not if it changes because his shove is not actually a raise. Anyone got some insight into this? Dealer held player 1 to a call then he just put them in blind before the flop came anyway.
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    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Dealer was correct. If you have acted before there was an illegal raise (not by the amount of the initial raise or by how much they raised on top of the bb) you may not raise. You can only fold/call.
      If you have not acted before the illegal raise you have all your options open to you.

      Hope it helped.

      Regards,

      Kyle.
    • Meemawuk
      Meemawuk
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      Thanks for clarification.
    • FaulV16ke
      FaulV16ke
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      Sorry for my stupid question but are The half bet rule and The Full bet rule the same things? And what's the name of the rule in the situation above?
    • justkyle88
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      Sorry for copying and pasting but Wikipedia is full of answers ;)

      full bet rule
      In some casinos, the rule that a player must wager the full amount required in order for his action to constitute a raise. For example, in a game with a $4 fixed limit, a player facing an opening bet of $4 who wagers $7 is deemed to have flat called, because $8 is required to raise.

      half bet rule
      In some casinos, the rule that placing chips equal to or greater than half the normal bet amount beyond the amount required to call constitutes a commitment to raise the normal amount. For example, in a game with a $4 fixed limit, a player facing a $4 opening bet who places $6 in the pot is deemed to have raised, and must complete his bet to $8.

      I'm guessing it applys same to NL tables too.
    • FaulV16ke
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      thank you for your answer
    • Meemawuk
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      If the half bet rule applied to nl. Then the all in by player 3 would constitute a raise (more than half required therefore intent to raise) and would open the betting for player 1 to shove? I don't think the half bet rule applies to nl though which is why he couldn't act again.
    • justkyle88
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      The illegal raise only applies when someone has gone all-in.

      These two raises "full bet rule/half bet rule" are a completely different rule. All actions would be open to all because they would still have chips behind them.
      AFAIK.