[NL2-NL10] kqo nl 10

    • maykel
      maykel
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.06.2008 Posts: 121
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      MP3:
      $10.29
      CO:
      $13.11
      BU (Hero):
      $10.36
      SB:
      $11.11
      BB:
      $10.46
      MP2:
      $6.65


      Preflop: Hero is BU with K, Q.
      MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.30.

      Flop: ($0.95) K, T, 4 (2 players)
      MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.60, MP3 raises to $9.89, [I][COLOR=grey]Hero..?

      villain:50/0/12hands
  • 6 replies
    • Duudalinja
      Duudalinja
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.12.2009 Posts: 1,030
      Depends kinda what you've seen him do in those 6 hands he played. Hard to say why he's shoving and what he's thinking - it may be 44/TT, but it may be spazzy move with Kx. Anyways, I would fold TP2K, I'm just not willing to put my stack against maniac in this situation. And I would bet a bit bigger on flop to avoid idea that he may see that as "little cbet" (if he knows what's that) that can be shoved, cuz "he doesn't have anything".
      Just my humble opinion, may be completely wrong.
    • N0pr3s3n7
      N0pr3s3n7
      Coach
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      Joined: 14.05.2009 Posts: 1,276
      I call here him 100% of the time.Although he limps all his hands no much hands he might move this flop.He is truly a fish but what hand makes sense to shove here?NONE that you lose.He might be showing there with QQ/JJ quite often as he missplayed preflop and want's to "correct" this postflop.He is also often in my eyes showing with JQ there or Tx,the flop itself is super dry to "fastplay" strong made hand on it.The only hand you should worry about is 44, since your sample size for HUD is small i kinda assume he will be raising his strong hands.
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Hard to say with no reads. Has the player been raised when limping before? Did you see any of his showdowns? But consider this:

      - If you call and you are ahead you are ~75-80% favourite unless he has an OESD.

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 81,357% 80,578% 1,558% 17,864% KhQs
      Player 2: 18,643% 17,864% 1,558% 80,578% QQ-JJ, ATs, KJs, QTs+, JTs, ATo, KJo, QTo+, JTo


      - If you call and you are beat you are at most something like 20% to win the hand.

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 20,024% 10,878% 18,292% 70,830% KhQs
      Player 2: 79,976% 70,830% 18,292% 10,878% KK+, TT, 44, AKs, KQs, KTs, AKo, KQo, KTo

      Now if you call you are just a slight favourite against his entire range right? But by calling you build a HUGE pot from which rake WILL be taken. Does your 5-10% favourite cover losses from rake? If yes, call, if no just fold. I'd honestly take the conservative approach and fold.

      Cheers.

      PS: This is the most I've ever analyzed a hand. I hope ranges make sense since we DON'T have any reads. Even if he is a fish, not all fish play the same!
    • MaestroOfZerg
      MaestroOfZerg
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 5,510
      Hi,

      Originally posted by N0pr3s3n7
      He is truly a fish but what hand makes sense to shove here?
      Therein lies the rub. It doesn't even need to make any sense by our standards. You'll encounter some guys jamming a gutshot there because they have outs yet they have nothing, you'll even find some just shoving Ax for no reason. You'll run into people who are happy with the flopped nuts and decide to shove instead of not scaring you off, aren't we supposed to go all-in with a monster after all? In the middle you'll have players with skewed hand values that think K2 is the mortal nuts on that board. Who knows.

      Usually I won't call it off either barring some clue that he's likely to spazz, players who haven't yet raised preflop are just not inclined to use the raise button that often by nature, so they completely going off the wire is more likely to be a good hand them they suddenly snapping. The price is just not right for me to take that gamble on what looks like a loose passive player so far.


      Hope it helps.
    • N0pr3s3n7
      N0pr3s3n7
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      Joined: 14.05.2009 Posts: 1,276
      actually no matter how loose passive is this guy i've been calling almost every all in on this kind and it is 9/10 they have the worst hand and 1/10 they have something good which is not the nuts like AK/KJ etc.
    • MaestroOfZerg
      MaestroOfZerg
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      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 5,510
      Hi,


      If it's working for you, keep it up.