[NL20-NL50] nl50:aa+bad voard

    • i5bet72o
      i5bet72o
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      Joined: 17.06.2010 Posts: 1,615
      Full Tilt - $0.50 NL RUSH - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      UTG: $52.75
      UTG+1: $63.55
      MP: $66.55
      MP+1: $20.00
      Hero (LP): $51.10
      CO: $88.40
      BTN: $61.45
      SB: $49.55
      BB: $20.00

      SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has A:spade: A:club:

      fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.50, MP calls $1.50, fold, Hero raises to $6.75, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $5.25, fold

      Flop: ($15.75, 2 players) Q:heart: 9:club: J:diamond:
      UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $8.00, UTG+1 calls $8.00

      Turn: ($31.75, 2 players) K:club:
      UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

      River: ($31.75, 2 players) 5:spade:
      UTG+1 bets $18.00, Hero calls $18.00
  • 9 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Again me... Other than AK what do you beat on the river? Would he actually bet AK there? In a 3bet pot his range hits huge on that board... Bet really looks like a value bet. I think river's a fold... May be completely wrong opinion though :f_confused:
    • i5bet72o
      i5bet72o
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      Joined: 17.06.2010 Posts: 1,615
      I kinda tend to agree, i just couldnt get myself to give up aa here.
    • Dublimax
      Dublimax
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      Joined: 22.11.2008 Posts: 2,233
      Bet more on the flop, like 12/13. If you face resistance then it means that he has probably a strong hand like JJ,QQ,KK and you know where you stand. By doing so you should get rid of him if he has AK.

      Then you check behind on the turn and you can easily fold your AA on the river.
    • santostr
      santostr
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      Joined: 11.08.2009 Posts: 663
      He could 4bet KK. On that board QQ/JJ/99 should raise flop.

      TT looks more likely.

      I took some time on this. The first thing I typed was "add some bluffs to his range on the river", but I couldn't find any later. Maybe AQ. Smaller pairs don't make sense, they souldn't call the cbet on that board.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      I think you´re beat very often, but I also couldn´t make fold there AA against unknown player. he can always have there AQ and turn it into bluff :)
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
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      Joined: 08.03.2009 Posts: 1,416
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      I think you´re beat very often, but I also couldn´t make fold there AA against unknown player. he can always have there AQ and turn it into bluff :)
      UTG bet/call squeeze with AQ OOP??? Quite unlikely if you ask me :)

      I think his range is quite strong here. Mostly TT+ (not great to call 3bet OOP either )against which you are crushed.

      So I dont believe you ever have 50% => turbo fold the river

      If this was against a midstack, you'd be better out bet/bet/bet but against full stack without history...

      T.
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      bet bigger on flop to get value from pair+SD, fold river

      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      I think you´re beat very often, but I also couldn´t make fold there AA against unknown player. he can always have there AQ and turn it into bluff :)
      AQ is just one hand, and he'll often check AQ


      and to the previous post:
      you don't need 50%?
    • N0pr3s3n7
      N0pr3s3n7
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      Joined: 14.05.2009 Posts: 1,275
      All his range for calling your shove consist of 2 pairs/straight so a call is never an option to his value bet.I'd say also he is only betting there a straight and check/calling probably 2 pairs so he is either having a T or nothing.That being said you need to win there 36% of the times although I don't see that ever happening.FOLD = +EV :)
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      yeah, fold seems better option there than call.
      Just if his range is very tight don´t see there having TT too often, maybe only TT.
      But agree you´re not ahead very often