[NL20-NL50] NL25 JJ(mp1), fr

    • TetraQuark
      TetraQuark
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      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $25.00
      BU:
      $22.87
      SB:
      $25.23
      BB:
      $28.21
      UTG1:
      $39.91
      UTG2:
      $25.00
      MP1 (Hero):
      $26.85
      MP2:
      $24.40
      MP3:
      $27.71


      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J, J.
      CO posts deadblind, UTG1 calls $0.25, UTG2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, BU calls $1.50, SB folds, BB calls $1.25, UTG1 calls $1.25.

      Flop: ($6.35) K, 3, 3 (4 players)
      BB checks, UTG1 checks, Hero bets $4.00, BU calls $4.00, BB folds, UTG1 folds.

      Turn: ($14.35) 9 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $7.25, Hero folds, BU gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $14.35.

      Hi!

      Villain is a complete unknown.

      I just don`t see a hand that I am beating with jacks when that heart came. Good fold?
  • 6 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Maybe it's just wasting money, but what about b/f here? PPs like 77+ to JJ are not folding right away on that flop.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      Maybe it's just wasting money, but what about b/f here? PPs like 77+ to JJ are not folding right away on that flop.
      I also think pp-s might float flop, but question is if they are now betting turn when flush completed.
      Since pp-s are just small part of his flop floating range I think c/f might be better or if you want to bet turn then intention to make fold Kx hand
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      To make Kx fold I think you have to bet a lot of rivercards too. Or would something like KT be able to fold on the turn?
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      To make Kx fold I think you have to bet a lot of rivercards too. Or would something like KT be able to fold on the turn?
      If he doesn´t have flushdraw I think he would often fold, since your range for barreling turn is quite strong. If he is loose and likes to call down a lot, then likely not and you have to fire river barrel, but a lot tag players would give there up.
    • EmanuelC16
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      One more thing: would the J high FD be enough here to bet turn? Or should we consider our FD dead on a paired board and against an opponent that called flushing flop?
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      One more thing: would the J high FD be enough here to bet turn? Or should we consider our FD dead on a paired board and against an opponent that called flushing flop?
      With Jh we have quite good equity, but our hand is not strong enough to b/c.
      So I think I´d take c/c line to let him bet with worse hands and floats. This way we can get to showdown and let him bluff to us
      Only reason to betting turn with JJh is to get him fold on the turn/river Kx