[NL2-NL10] ATs vs limped JJ

    • Sinnology
      Sinnology
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      Joined: 10.08.2009 Posts: 994
      Please evaluate :

      $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Holdem
      OnGame
      10 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG doggy912 ($30.69)
      UTG+1 llobu ($18.23)
      UTG+2 kieroganar99 ($18.01)
      MP1 Nichtsnutz ($18.20)
      MP2 Le Stigmate ($8.70)
      MP3 Roll08rus ($24.17)
      CO vannu ($19.84)
      BTN tomflower1 ($14.65)
      SB Haulkan ($3.80)
      BB Hero ($4)

      Pre-Flop: ($0.30, 10 players) Hero is BB A:diamond: 10:diamond:
      1 fold, llobu calls $0.20, 1 fold, Nichtsnutz calls $0.20, 1 fold, Roll08rus calls $0.20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.20, llobu folds, Nichtsnutz folds, Roll08rus calls $1

      Flop: 5:diamond: 2:heart: 7:club: ($2.90, 2 players)
      Hero goes all-in $2.80, Roll08rus calls $2.80

      Turn: 2:diamond: ($8.50, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: 9:heart: ($8.50, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: $8.50
      Hero shows PAIR TWO
      A:diamond: 10:diamond:
      Roll08rus shows TWO_PAIR JACK TWO
      J:heart: J:diamond:

      Roll08rus wins $8.08 (net +$4.08)

      Hero collects $0.20 (net -$4.00)
      llobu lost $0.20
      Nichtsnutz lost $0.20

      Should I play this different?
      Here I am -6BI today, back to nl10 grinding
      Thx
  • 9 replies
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
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      Joined: 08.03.2009 Posts: 1,416
      Hi,

      The flop isnt very good for a cbet (all low cards). I would check/fold the flop.
      If he doesnt bet the flop, you can bet the turn since your hand improved to FD+2OC's

      T,
    • Sinnology
      Sinnology
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      Joined: 10.08.2009 Posts: 994
      I ve learned to Cbet almost 100% of the time when HU and raise preflop.
      It appears to be the strongest weopon in whole strategy,since they fold way to often and its highly profitable.
      But you have your point here,maybe I should c/f.

      lets see what Gerv has to say about it.

      Thx man
    • Sinnology
      Sinnology
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      Joined: 10.08.2009 Posts: 994
      btw: Tampaloeres81 I want to thank you for taking the time and giving your very good observations about my hands.
      I can see that you know what are you talking about and just want to tell you that your work is highly appreciated . :O

      Cheers
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
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      Joined: 08.03.2009 Posts: 1,416
      Hi,

      If you have a read that he folds way too much to a cbet, just cbet 100% :D

      Check the silver SSS article about advanced cbets if you still havent ;)

      T.
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
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      Originally posted by Sinnology
      btw: Tampaloeres81 I want to thank you for taking the time and giving your very good observations about my hands.
      I can see that you know what are you talking about and just want to tell you that your work is highly appreciated . :O

      Cheers
      :)
    • burek2000
      burek2000
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      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Hey Sinnology,

      nice hand, well played. However, I would just shove preflop, because that's standard and you have to shove any flop anyways because you are OOP and your c-bet would be more than half of your remaining stack, so it's better to shove preflop and not let opponent see the flop before putting in the rest of his money.

      About the board, I don't think it's a bad board, since he could very likely have missed this board as well and you still have 2 overcards which might improve your hand in case he doesn't fold. So, here just c-bet shove 100%.

      Regards,
      burek2000
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
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      Hi,

      @Burek:
      Yeah shoving pre is ofcourse better :D
      Do you expect people to fold more than 50% on this board at this limit?
      His preflop range is more or less PP+SC's, PP's wont fold and SC's could have hit well here.

      T.
    • burek2000
      burek2000
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      Originally posted by Tampaloeres81
      Hi,

      @Burek:
      Yeah shoving pre is ofcourse better :D
      Do you expect people to fold more than 50% on this board at this limit?
      His preflop range is more or less PP+SC's, PP's wont fold and SC's could have hit well here.

      T.
      If it's a standard low limit limp/caller then I expect him to have lots of hands, PPs/SCs/broadways/Axs maybe even 2 gappers...

      So, I do think we should be able to achieve about 50% FE against him and what's more he is still able to call worse like 86/64/34 and most of all we have two overcards which are both likely to be clean outs and therefore we need less than 50% FE.

      If I knew opponent was a calling station then I would prefer to c/f the hand, because such would never bet any worse hand than ours, possibly even not some better than ours, but against unknown c-bet shove ftw.

      Cheers,
      burek2000
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
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      Hi,

      Thanks, agreed.