the "neverending" horror

    • Lizocain
      Lizocain
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.06.2009 Posts: 173
      I started the day with 3BI plus, was running incredible good (KK vs AT, T high flop, and I didnt loose, I consider that huge luck...) after I met the guy from yesterday who sucked out my AK vs AJ, river straight (pre allin), and my AK vs A7 (pre allin, flop 7)..and today he sucked out this (he sucked out everyone on the table at least twice..i'm seriously believing thats a sort of cheat, dunno how tho..)

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      MP2:
      $18.81
      MP3:
      $7.32
      CO:
      $8.87
      BU (Hero):
      $26.81
      SB:
      $10.35
      BB:
      $20.00
      UTG1:
      $9.55
      UTG2:
      $15.79
      MP1:
      $10.20


      Preflop: Hero is BU with T, T.
      UTG1 calls $0.10, 4 folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, BB checks.

      Flop: ($0.5) 9, T, 7 (5 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, UTG1 bets $0.30, CO calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.30, SB folds, BB folds, UTG1 folds, CO raises to $8.77, Hero calls $7.47.

      Turn: ($18.34) 9 (2 players)


      River: ($18.34) K (2 players)


      Final Pot: $18.34.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a full-house, tens full of nines(T T).
      CO shows a full-house, kings full of nines(K K).

      CO wins with a full-house, kings full of nines(K K).

      he is around 45vpip 30pfr, and about 25 pfr 3bet/4bet shove (Ax KJ+ any pair) postflop he has 100% bet in position, 90% OOP. He goes AI with any Ace on A high flop (even A2 I saw that, 400bb push).. and he always sucks out on river, around 20times I saw it (not only vs me, vs anyone, usually finnishes table around 600-1k bb)

      right after this hand....this comes..

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $18.04
      SB:
      $14.86
      BB:
      $36.06
      UTG2 (Hero):
      $17.07
      MP1:
      $20.00
      MP2:
      $19.70
      MP3:
      $20.00
      CO:
      $10.82


      Preflop: Hero is UTG2 with A, K.
      Hero raises to $0.35, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.35, 4 folds, BB calls $0.25.

      Flop: ($1.1) 6, A, 4 (3 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.70, MP2 folds, BB raises to $3.00, Hero raises to $16.72, BB calls $13.72.

      Turn: ($34.54) 7 (2 players)


      River: ($34.54) 2 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $34.54.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of aces(A K).
      BB shows three of a kind, fours(4 4).

      BB wins with three of a kind, fours(4 4).

      now I was thinking, if he shoves A2 on this board, how can I fold AK? how can I ever fold it..? and just to make me happy, the next hand finally makes me stop, seriously, a nerve just broke when I saw this...

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      MP2:
      $13.34
      MP3:
      $10.41
      CO:
      $10.77
      BU (Hero):
      $10.84
      SB:
      $9.25
      BB:
      $8.69
      UTG2:
      $9.78
      MP1:
      $18.66


      Preflop: Hero is BU with K, K.
      UTG2 calls $0.10, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.45, 2 folds, UTG2 calls $0.35.

      Flop: ($1.05) 9, 8, 6 (2 players)
      UTG2 bets $9.33(All-In), Hero calls $9.33.

      Turn: ($19.71) 3 (2 players)


      River: ($19.71) 4 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $19.71.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of kings(K K).
      UTG2 shows a straight, ten high(T 7).

      UTG2 wins with a straight, ten high(T 7).

      the guy had 75/25 stats...bet IP 100%...

      I just feel like shit..grinding all the day to loose all against insane fishes..so sick, and it happends every fucking day..
      any mistakes if i did please post here..
  • 19 replies
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
      Bronze
      Joined: 08.03.2009 Posts: 1,416
      Hi,

      Fish can run verrrry hot for some hands, but they always end up broke ;)

      Hand 1; riase it pre dont overlimp with TT. Just raise/ship it vs him.
      Hand 2; with your reads => good ship
      Hand 3; with your reads => cant let that go, but often they will have some sort of the nuts :f_p:

      GL.

      T.
    • Lizocain
      Lizocain
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.06.2009 Posts: 173
      Hand 1. Raising against him is a hard decision, coz he ships everything, and TT is a bit marginal, he can suckout anytime with random kj kq aj aq even jq j9 j8 (he shiped) but there vs kk i was ahead only on the flop..

      well that you something, usually every fish looses but this guy I just never seen loosing a big hand, just never and I saw over 30 allins that got called from him, not lost a single time, except when he bluffed allin river..
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
      Bronze
      Joined: 08.03.2009 Posts: 1,416
      Originally posted by Lizocain
      Hand 1. Raising against him is a hard decision, coz he ships everything, and TT is a bit marginal, he can suckout anytime with random kj kq aj aq even jq j9 j8 (he shiped)
      Did you put that in the equilator? I think you are a big favorite (dont have it here).

      If he cheats, why would he bluff a river? :)

      In home games I have seen underdogs win such amounts of AI's. Online I play too much tables to spot such plays.

      T.
    • bogie
      bogie
      Global
      Joined: 23.09.2007 Posts: 109
      In home games I have seen underdogs win such amounts of AI's. Online I play too much tables to spot such plays.



    • Lizocain
      Lizocain
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.06.2009 Posts: 173
      You tend to not really give a damn about the equilator when you see that he wins in preflop AI these hands
      AJ > AK, A5 > AK, 77 > JJ, AQ > AT, JJ > QQ, 55 > AA, J8 > KK and so on....so my TT there isn't any good... I play 12 tables minimum, but it was impossible to not spot this fish, he always had the most money on the table, rare to see somebody between 800 to 1300 bb..
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
      Bronze
      Joined: 08.03.2009 Posts: 1,416
      Then dont play a hand at all against him not even AA.
    • Lizocain
      Lizocain
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.06.2009 Posts: 173
      against AA he needs to hit at least 2 cards..but all the rest he is beating like shit

      FT decided I didnt get enough unluck so lets fuck me a bit more..just for the fun, fuck me deep.. some hands..

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      MP1:
      $10.61
      MP2:
      $10.98
      MP3:
      $10.00
      CO:
      $1.81
      BU:
      $24.40
      SB:
      $5.34
      BB (Hero):
      $11.14
      UTG1:
      $3.80
      UTG2:
      $10.28


      Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K.
      UTG1 folds, UTG2 raises to $0.30, 4 folds, BU calls $0.30, SB folds, Hero raises to $1.30, UTG2 folds, BU calls $1.00.

      Flop: ($2.95) 4, J, 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.00, BU raises to $4.00, Hero raises to $9.84, BU calls $5.84.

      Turn: ($22.63) 2 (2 players)


      River: ($22.63) 7 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $22.63.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of kings(K K).
      BU shows three of a kind, eights(8 8).

      BU wins with three of a kind, eights(8 8).

      over 50vpip guy, before i saw him shove 99 on AK board...nice..

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      MP2:
      $10.29
      MP3:
      $5.48
      CO:
      $10.39
      BU:
      $10.27
      SB (Hero):
      $10.00
      BB:
      $10.31
      UTG2:
      $9.72
      MP1:
      $10.00


      Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 6.
      6 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20.

      Flop: ($0.6) 9, 2, J (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30.

      Turn: ($1.2) 6 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $1.10, Hero raises to $3.30, BB calls $2.20.

      River: ($7.8) T (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $6.41, Hero calls $6.10.

      Final Pot: $20.31.
      Results follow:

      BB shows a straight, queen high(Q 8).
      Hero shows three of a kind, sixs(6 6).

      BB wins with a straight, queen high(Q 8).

      wonderful gutshot..

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      UTG1:
      $10.59
      UTG2:
      $5.51
      MP1:
      $10.24
      MP2:
      $10.07
      MP3 (Hero):
      $10.59
      CO:
      $10.00
      BU:
      $10.00
      SB:
      $9.07
      BB:
      $10.61


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T, T.
      4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 3 folds, 2 folds, BB folds.

      Flop: ($0.75) 9, T, 7 (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $0.60, Hero raises to $2.00, CO calls $1.40.

      Turn: ($4.75) 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $4.75, Hero folds, CO gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $4.75.

      yay..i'm down 9BI in one day...pity you cant send FT directly the rake that you gonna play for the entire month and you wouldnt get bad beats all the time..
    • NightFrostaSS
      NightFrostaSS
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.10.2008 Posts: 5,255
      Originally posted by Lizocain
      so lets fuck me a bit more..just for the fun, fuck me deep..
      a/s/l?
    • Lizocain
      Lizocain
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.06.2009 Posts: 173
      well it seems like 18/f/hell...
    • NightFrostaSS
      NightFrostaSS
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.10.2008 Posts: 5,255
      Originally posted by Lizocain
      well it seems like 18/f/hell...
      Too old!
    • Satanic4
      Satanic4
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.02.2008 Posts: 85
      Originally posted by Lizocain
      Known players:
      MP2:
      $13.34
      MP3:
      $10.41
      CO:
      $10.77
      BU (Hero):
      $10.84
      SB:
      $9.25
      BB:
      $8.69
      UTG2:
      $9.78
      MP1:
      $18.66


      Preflop: Hero is BU with K, K.
      UTG2 calls $0.10, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.45, 2 folds, UTG2 calls $0.35.

      Flop: ($1.05) 9, 8, 6 (2 players)
      UTG2 bets $9.33(All-In), Hero calls $9.33.

      Turn: ($19.71) 3 (2 players)


      River: ($19.71) 4 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $19.71.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of kings(K K).
      UTG2 shows a straight, ten high(T 7).

      UTG2 wins with a straight, ten high(T 7).

      the guy had 75/25 stats...bet IP 100%...
      He went all in after the flop; $1.05 pot, so he hit pretty hard. Should be careful with over-pair's since in the end it is only a pair after the flop, higher pair + beats them and when someone pushes all in (9x the pot) it is probably not a bluff especially in micro.

      Originally posted by Lizocain

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 6.
      6 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20.

      Flop: ($0.6) 9, 2, J (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30.

      Turn: ($1.2) 6 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $1.10, Hero raises to $3.30, BB calls $2.20.

      River: ($7.8) T (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $6.41, Hero calls $6.10.

      Final Pot: $20.31.
      Results follow:

      BB shows a straight, queen high(Q 8).
      Hero shows three of a kind, sixs(6 6).

      BB wins with a straight, queen high(Q 8).
      Why call after the flop with low pairs? And if you thought it was a bluff then why didn't you raise? Calling just to see if you hit a 6 on the turn will cost you more then you will make in the long run since you only have a 4.2 % of hitting.

      Also I wouldn't raise 6s in that position if I thought a player in front of me was loose/aggressive.

      I might be wrong, but meh :P .
    • Lizocain
      Lizocain
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.06.2009 Posts: 173
      with the KK its really hard to fold, especially when u see a guy that loose and bluffing so many times.
      with the 66 i raised coz the guy seemed a fairly tag after his stats, with low 3bet and low steal, high fold bb, and his bet in position was high aswell, so I just checked if he has anything or just bets coz i checked. Me betting or check calling, its pretty much the same thing coz I gonna need to bet again the turn if I bet the flop and a blank shows..the idea of how he sucked out you are missing I think..
    • MIMIso
      MIMIso
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.02.2010 Posts: 63
      That was some bad stuff. Sometimes, I also notice a dude who keeps hitting everything. Best advice is to avoid him by all means.

      Today, this happend to me:

      0.25/0.50 game

      Pre flop raise with T T to 1.75, 2 people call, pot a bit over 5$

      Flop 6 6 T. They both check, I bet 3$. One folds, other one makes a raise to 8$. Re-raise to 20$ - he goes all in (around 58$). I call. He had T 6.

      Bang! 6 on the river. I was really, really pissed. He had me covered so I had to re-buy. 3rd hand after my re-buy I get AA.

      Raise to 2.5$, same guy calls. Flop K 7 4. After my 5$ bet, he pushes me all in with KQ. Of course, he hits a queen on turn and I lose again.

      What a plonker.
    • Lizocain
      Lizocain
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.06.2009 Posts: 173
      well will this ever stop...

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      MP3:
      $1.90
      CO:
      $9.80
      BU:
      $10.14
      SB:
      $17.97
      BB:
      $63.92
      UTG1:
      $11.31
      UTG2 (Hero):
      $17.50
      MP1:
      $5.50
      MP2:
      $8.01


      Preflop: Hero is UTG2 with A, Q.
      UTG1 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 3 folds, CO calls $0.35, 3 folds, 2 folds, BB folds.

      Flop: ($0.85) 5, Q, Q (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.50, CO raises to $2.35, Hero raises to $17.15, CO calls $7.10.

      Turn: ($27.45) 8 (2 players)


      River: ($27.45) 3 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $27.45.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows three of a kind, queens(A Q).
      CO shows a full-house, eights full of queens(8 8).

      CO wins with a full-house, eights full of queens(8 8).

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      MP3:
      $3.61
      CO:
      $19.16
      BU:
      $10.88
      SB:
      $2.85
      BB:
      $8.55
      UTG1:
      $9.35
      UTG2:
      $15.26
      MP1 (Hero):
      $10.05
      MP2:
      $11.29


      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, A.
      UTG1 raises to $0.30, UTG2 folds, Hero raises to $1.10, 4 folds, SB raises to $2.85, BB folds, UTG1 calls $2.55, Hero raises to $10.05, UTG1 calls $6.50.

      Flop: ($22.35) 6, 9, 4 (3 players)


      Turn: ($22.35) T (3 players)


      River: ($22.35) 9 (3 players)


      Final Pot: $22.35.
      Results follow:

      UTG1 shows a flush, queen high(Q Q).
      Hero shows two pairs, aces and nines(A A).
      SB shows two pairs, kings and nines(K K).

      UTG1 wins with a flush, queen high(Q Q).

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      UTG2:
      $5.26
      MP1:
      $10.68
      MP2:
      $3.48
      MP3 (Hero):
      $19.97
      CO:
      $11.94
      BU:
      $14.08
      SB:
      $16.41
      BB:
      $8.00
      UTG1:
      $10.00


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K, K.
      UTG1 calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.45, 3 folds, BB raises to $1.00, UTG1 folds, Hero raises to $3.00, BB raises to $8.10, Hero calls $5.00.

      Flop: ($16.15) 5, 6, 9 (2 players)


      Turn: ($16.15) 6 (2 players)


      River: ($16.15) 7 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $16.15.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, kings and sixs(K K).
      BB shows a flush, ace high(A K).

      BB wins with a flush, ace high(A K).

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      BB:
      $6.49
      UTG1:
      $10.00
      UTG2:
      $10.00
      MP1 (Hero):
      $11.14
      MP2:
      $1.71
      MP3:
      $15.98
      CO:
      $4.25
      BU:
      $13.27
      SB:
      $10.46


      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 6, 6.
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BU calls $0.30, SB folds, BB calls $0.20.

      Flop: ($0.95) 6, 5, 3 (3 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, BU calls $0.60, BB folds.

      Turn: ($2.15) 2 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50.

      River: ($5.15) K (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $2.00, Hero calls $2.00.

      Final Pot: $9.15.
      Results follow:

      BU shows a straight, six high(4 4).
      Hero shows three of a kind, sixs(6 6).

      BU wins with a straight, six high(4 4).

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $9.95
      BB:
      $9.60
      UTG1:
      $9.90
      UTG2:
      $9.35
      MP1:
      $17.84
      MP2 (Hero):
      $10.00
      MP3:
      $10.88
      CO:
      $10.00


      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, K.
      2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.20, 4 folds, MP1 calls $0.80.

      Flop: ($2.5) 4, 9, 2 (2 players)
      MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.50, MP1 raises to $16.64(All-In), Hero calls $7.30.

      Turn: ($27.94) Q (2 players)


      River: ($27.94) 3 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $27.94.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of kings(K K).
      MP1 shows a flush, king high(A K).

      MP1 wins with a flush, king high(A K).

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)

      Known players:
      MP3:
      $10.98
      CO:
      $31.75
      BU (Hero):
      $10.00
      BB:
      $10.00
      UTG2:
      $9.42
      MP1:
      $10.15
      MP2:
      $10.00


      Preflop: Hero is BU with J, J.
      UTG2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.30, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.30, BB folds.

      Flop: ($0.7) 4, J, 7 (2 players)
      MP1 bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70.

      Turn: ($2.1) K (2 players)
      MP1 bets $1.90, Hero raises to $5.00, MP1 raises to $9.15, Hero calls $4.00(All-In).

      River: ($20.25) A (2 players)


      Final Pot: $20.25.
      Results follow:

      MP1 shows three of a kind, kings(K K).
      Hero shows three of a kind, jacks(J J).

      MP1 wins with three of a kind, kings(K K).
    • BCShad0w
      BCShad0w
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.06.2010 Posts: 78
      Seems you get busted on 4 suited boards no end, just like me.

      I also get players who marry two suited [whatever value they hold] or any hand holding a A or K. I see it correct to play Ax/Kx in the late stage, but not early... I might even push my luck and call with trash suits... You see this at every table at micro stakes.

      All I can say is very best of luck, and hopefully, you run hot and keep strong... Thats what Im hoping in my case. [Im saying this as someone just busted me with K2o against my 86o...862 flop, I go all in... He calls for a K to come on turn! Bleh]

      Best of luck as I say buddy =D.

      /C
    • winpkwin
      winpkwin
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.09.2009 Posts: 372
      It is poker, and you may to learn how to accept it whith no choice.
    • BCShad0w
      BCShad0w
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.06.2010 Posts: 78
      Originally posted by winpkwin
      It is poker, and you may to learn how to accept it whith no choice.
      I'm slowly getting there =]!

      /C
    • alexgeor
      alexgeor
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.01.2010 Posts: 56
      I got over this when I lost my $45 of the original capital by pokerstrategy.com just like that.

      ai ev and money won took two completely different roads. Just like being on a mirror :P

      I still am around $50 UNDER ev, but my br is @ $33 and steadily improving.

      play more, if you are a good player you will win (someday).
    • OZSA
      OZSA
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.05.2009 Posts: 804
      the horror never ends, it just continues the way it started till the day you die..