# Could a 10% rake game be beaten?

• Bronze
Joined: 13.07.2006
Hi there,

At our local casino called Holland Casino the lowest limit tables they have are 2/4 fullring fixed limit.

The table seems to be very juicy and there are 5 players seeing every flop. People call u with everything so u could make good money.

Now the thing is...they take 10% rake off each pot. Can this game be beaten long-term with this kinda rake?
• 5 replies
• Bronze
Joined: 14.04.2006
Hi wilm!

These games should be beatable as well because the players are really bad and you can win even more money than online. If the players were instead better than online players I wouldn't play it.

Good luck at the tables!
Puschkin81
• Bronze
Joined: 13.07.2006
Hm ok.

How can i calculate how big my winrate (BB/100) has to be to beat this rake or break even?

Any suggestions?
• Bronze
Joined: 18.07.2007
Hm...difficult to say. I made \$800 rake in the last 10k hands (5% rake), which means I had to win at least \$800 to be break even. That means my winrate would have to be at least \$800/10k hands or \$8/100 (on NL100: 8BB/100). Maybe I should add that this winrate cannot be compared with a typical PokerTracker winrate because PokerTracker already subtracts the rake from the original winnings.
• Bronze
Joined: 23.02.2007
If it's a 10 player table, then it costs you 1.5BB for every 10 hands. That is, 15BB/100, or 7.5BB/100, since you limit players talk about big bets ^^ (yes I know, I'm a great mathematician ^^,).
It's definitely feasible in a fishy live game. I play almost exclusively live against fish, and I would make more than enough to cover a rake, if there was any. That's playing no-limit though, but I think it would be similar...
Hope it helps
• Bronze
Joined: 25.03.2005
Originally posted by swissmoumout
If it's a 10 player table, then it costs you 1.5BB for every 10 hands. That is, 15BB/100, or 7.5BB/100, since you limit players talk about big bets ^^ (yes I know, I'm a great mathematician ^^,).
It's definitely feasible in a fishy live game. I play almost exclusively live against fish, and I would make more than enough to cover a rake, if there was any. That's playing no-limit though, but I think it would be similar...
Hope it helps
The blinds don't havbe anything do do with the rake.

For FL 1BB is often declared to be 1% but thats too high... I pay 3BB rake on 5/10\$ and this is 5% so you need at least 6BB/100 to be a winning player which should be possible. (On Partypoker you need 3BB = 5%.)