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[NL2-NL10] nl10 Sh J7s from SB vs BB

    • alecsCQ
      Joined: 27.09.2009 Posts: 2,815
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
      Hero ($10)
      BB ($11.37)
      CO ($10.40)
      BTN ($10)

      Dealt to Hero J:club: 7:club:

      fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, BB calls $0.10

      FLOP ($0.40) 5:spade: 8:club: 9:club:

      Hero bets $0.35, BB raises to $1.05, Hero calls $0.70

      TURN ($2.50) 5:spade: 8:club: 9:club: A:heart:

      Hero checks, BB bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80

      RIVER ($6.10) 5:spade: 8:club: 9:club: A:heart: 2:diamond:

      Hero checks, BB bets $4, Hero folds

      BB wins $5.70
      BB 17/13 AF 6.5
  • 3 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,909
      Most likely I would shove after the raise on the flop. Although you don't have a hand now, your draw is great FD+double gutshot, + J might be good. That gives you something like 60% equity I think and you have some FE too.
    • Duudalinja
      Joined: 21.12.2009 Posts: 1,030
      I would 3bet flop. You have way too good hand to let it go. At least calling down the flop doesn't seem like best line as if you don't hit you will have to make a decision again as he may bet and your equity will fall down on turn. I wouldn't count much on FE as he will call down with better hands anyway and maybe fold his draws (hopefully better draws), but I think it's fine given your outs.
    • caltabiano
      Joined: 09.03.2007 Posts: 1,992

      Our equity once the money goes in is actually not that great, considering our opponent will have 2 pair or better.

      Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

      50,490 games 0.003 secs 16,830,000 games/sec

      Board: 9c 8c 5s

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 47.565% 46.27% 01.29% 23364 651.50 { Jc7c }
      Hand 1: 52.435% 51.14% 01.29% 25823 651.50 { 99-88, 55, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac5c, 98s, 95s, 85s, 76s, 98o, 95o, 85o, 76o }

      As you can see, we'd actually be behind. I considered hands such as 95o because you only minraised pre and I expect your opponent will be calling pretty light given it's BvB and he's got position. (And because of that, you shouldn't be minraising the small blind ;-) )

      Getting it in on the flop is fine, since you always have decent equity and you're OOP. It does make the hand easier to play (but that doesn't mean it's the most profitable play.

      But I actually believe calling is the best against most players, except for loose fish. Against loose fish, I like just getting it in, because their range will be weaker hand the suggested above.

      The reason I like calling is this:

      - If my opponent is one who likes to bluff, I call with the intention of c/rAI on the turn. That way, the outcome vs his value range ends up being the same as if we had gotten it in on the flop, BUT if he's bluffing, we end up extracting another bet from him on the turn.

      - If my opponent is very straightforward and his raise here means strength, we're very likely to get paid off once we hit one of our outs. So I don't mind taking my implieds, make the call and stack him only when I hit.

      Hope it makes sense