poker, skill or luck

    • pogodon
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      ok i need all the smart cheeky people i see alot of in the forum to help me here

      me and my brother ( who doesn't really play poker) constantly have this debate

      he says: poker is all about luck no matter how you play you can just get unlucky or lucky at the end.


      i say: (the usual shit) obvioulsy poker has luck involved but only for short time, over long periods skill kills luck

      and he ask him if it was about luck how does 1 player ( phil ivey win so much, is he lucky i say)


      he tells me if skill is better then how does fools get to the final table of wsop every year<<<<<<<< thats a tough one


      so please cheeky forum users give me a smart but correct answer to shut the fucker up

      thank you,
      Jay
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    • Hlynkinn
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      he tells me if skill is better then how does fools get to the final table of wsop every year<<<<<<<< thats a tough one


      1 tournament sample size ftw!!!
    • kennyxx
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      Originally posted by pogodon
      ...he tells me if skill is better then how does fools get to the final table of wsop every year<<<<<<<< thats a tough one
      I think You answered already :)

      Originally posted by pogodon
      i say: (the usual shit) obvioulsy poker has luck involved but only for short time, over long periods skill kills luck...
    • Atoks
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      Just look at some data available on PTR.com, sharkscope.com or whichever site u use to get more info against ppl u play. If people who play 20k+ tournies or 2mil+hand are lucking their way into tens of thousands of dollars I'll eat this post.
    • cjchalmers
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      Originally posted by Atoks
      Just look at some data available on PTR.com, sharkscope.com or whichever site u use to get more info against ppl u play. If people who play 20k+ tournies or 2mil+hand are lucking their way into tens of thousands of dollars I'll eat this post.
      +1 .... and I'll eat a deck of cards and 500 chips... dealers jacket for dessert.
    • vonki
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      about the final table: One tournament is a shortterm-thing and thus any idiot with luck knocking on his door can make it to a final table in one tourney, but he is very unlikely to ever do so again.

      Short-term, poker is based on the outcome of the cards (aka luck), but if you run a scenario enough times, luck will stop to be a factor and probability will kick in.

      We feed out of people like your brother and others who think its a game of luck, so please don't forward it to him... ;)
    • Alficor1
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      I think if you tell him this: "take someone like Doyle Brunson who has been living off poker exclusively for the past five decades. Was he lucky fifty years in a row?", it should end the arguement..

      And honestly, why do you even argue about poker with someone who doesnt even play it?
    • Schnitzelfisch
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      Hello!

      The answer is simple. Poker is a game of skill AND luck. Short-term, the luck will be the king, long-term, the skill will be the king :) . Make him read the poker mindset or something ;) .

      Best regards,

      Primzi
    • santostr
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      About the main event.

      It's right, the november nine are not the top 9 poker players, but I don't see any fools there.