donkeys are on the verge of me giving up poker

    • soulboy65
      soulboy65
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      Joined: 23.01.2010 Posts: 12
      Any advice greatly received on what i should do. For the umpteenth time this week i've been knocked out by utter donkeys, the latest 2 being , i'm on small blind with qq guy on button has been raising evrytime it's been folded round to him while he's on the button. sure enough he raises again by 4x bb i reraise he shoves all in and so for another 2.3k i call and he turns over k8os and sure enough he hits k on the river. I'm stunned but move onto next tourney after i get knocked out of current one.
      the next tourney i'm in bb with AA ,1 limper and small blind calls i raise and get called by the limper sb folds. flop comes qs qh 10d so i bet 3/4 of pot to see where i am i get called, turn comes 8s so i bet again get called again river comes 2s and i push remainder of my chips in and get called guy turns over 4s 5 s, how can someone possibly think they're ahead after the flop with 4 5 of spades, it beggars belief so what should i have done differently ? or should i just give up and take up knitting
  • 14 replies
    • pogodon
      pogodon
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      Joined: 23.07.2010 Posts: 1,213
      knitting and try out for the wsok you might win it
    • soulboy65
      soulboy65
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      Joined: 23.01.2010 Posts: 12
      are there any donkeys at the wsok or are there mules or asses
    • PiersM
      PiersM
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      Joined: 20.05.2009 Posts: 48
      i actually wrote to full tilt poker asking about this and other problems like how to play against people that go all in every hand pre flop, here's what they said:

      Hello Piers,

      Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker Support.

      I understand that a bad run on the tables can be frustrating.

      As a poker player, I've experienced sessions where I received nothing but horrible cards, bad beats, and suck outs. I've also read stories on blogs and poker forums about top level players and pros that have had consecutive sessions with no success. These players all ask the same question during these periods, "Am I a victim of lousy luck or am I playing poorly?"

      Losing is part of poker and even serious players, including the world's best, go through losing streaks that can last for weeks or even months. The down-swing often starts with an unlucky run of cards that eat away at the bankroll, and these runs are often lengthened by a player's play.

      Professional and serious poker players understand that the key to success isn't how they play during the times when they're running hot, but how they play when they're running cold.

      If you don't already, I recommend assessing your play by saving your hand histories. When a session is over and your head is clear, review your actions and see if you can spot problems in your game. Ask players you know and trust to review your hand histories and give honest feedback on your play.

      You can also find extensive poker information online which can give you additional insight into your game. I suggest trying one of the many commercially available hand history database and analysis tools, which can be used to analyze your play and the play of your opponents.

      I hope you'll find these resources helpful, and if you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us.

      Regards,

      Jamie

      Poker SpecialistFull Tilt Poker Support

      I was about to bail on the whole online poker thing because of the bad way things were going for me and then i read this reply and it somehow chaged my whole outlook. Made me realise that everyone has bad times and its the players that deal with it or understand and cope, that emerge as great players.

      I am still not a great player but im learning and coping a lot better than when i first started. The best advice i can give you and bare in mind im still new to this is whenever you find someone is betting at you they are not always lying and if it means your next move is to put large amounts or all of your chips in the pot then think carefully and don't be affraid to fold aces.

      Betting all or large amounts of your chips does not garantee you will win the pot, folding will garantee that you dont lose anymore of your stack.

      I put this in so you can see it happens to everyone and i hate corey ziedman for doing this to her :(

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GONjUZ013SQ
    • wasy8
      wasy8
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      Joined: 29.01.2009 Posts: 1,507
      move up to where they respect your raises
    • conall88
      conall88
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      Joined: 02.01.2009 Posts: 1,715
      three things:

      bad runs shouldn't be a problem if you execute good BRM

      adjusting to " the donkeys" is paramount to taking their money. expect variance. you want to play lots of hands vs them, not a few. make sure you have as big an edge as possible before investing in the pot versus them when you have a choice.

      post hands in the related hand posting forum. all good players know they can improve constantly. you are never finished learning poker!
    • conall88
      conall88
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      Joined: 02.01.2009 Posts: 1,715
      Originally posted by wasy8
      move up to where they respect your raises
      moving up is the worst advice you could get!
    • soulboy65
      soulboy65
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      Joined: 23.01.2010 Posts: 12
      thank you for the reply i realise i shouldnt have taken the hand that far but what i can't get my head round is how could he call on the flop with 4 5 on a QQT board i'm still struggling to comprehend it
    • wasy8
      wasy8
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      Joined: 29.01.2009 Posts: 1,507
      Originally posted by soulboy65
      thank you for the reply i realise i shouldnt have taken the hand that far but what i can't get my head round is how could he call on the flop with 4 5 on a QQT board i'm still struggling to comprehend it
      it's called floating, since he wanted to 'outplay you on later streets'. he probably saw it on tv or something
    • soulboy65
      soulboy65
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      Joined: 23.01.2010 Posts: 12
      I've just been knocked out of another tourney 1st hand had AK suited hit flush on turn only to be beaten by straight flush on the river lol it just gets better and better
    • Schnitzelfisch
      Schnitzelfisch
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      Joined: 08.11.2008 Posts: 4,952
      It's just variance. Put in the volume to overcome the variance. Read the poker mindset book or something.

      Best regards,

      Primzi
    • Blade90
      Blade90
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      Joined: 21.10.2008 Posts: 135
      Yea it is the variance. It is the term online players made for the rigged online poker. That is no one ever loses 50 or 60 live sngs in a row in a field that he once dominated. So simply put u can win at online poker, but it has little to do with poker and a lot to do with u sitting for hundreds of hours and making the RIGHT decisions, then losing in ways that are impossible live, or happen once in a career, then keep playing until u suckout the same way. Thats how the good online players seem to win, just put in more hands in a week then Doyle Brunson put up in his career and u will be fine. Regards :)
    • occipital
      occipital
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      Joined: 11.11.2009 Posts: 37
      It´s hard to everyone when you´re beat by a donkey with a lousy 2-outer but you have to think in the long term. Put in some volume and you´ll make profit. I love to have donkeys around, I may lose some money to them once in a while but in the long run, they are the ones feeding my bankroll.
    • MrPavlos
      MrPavlos
      Global
      Joined: 12.02.2009 Posts: 553
      Originally posted by soulboy65
      thank you for the reply i realise i shouldnt have taken the hand that far but what i can't get my head round is how could he call on the flop with 4 5 on a QQT board i'm still struggling to comprehend it
      could u comprehend it's his money and he can spew them on blow,hookers,or 45s?
    • funktor
      funktor
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      Joined: 10.08.2008 Posts: 922
      Do not be afraid of bad beats, of plrs chasing bad draws...

      This is not about winning particular hand or loosing it. This is about playing good poker and making right decisions. Overy time you manage get in with 80% to win, you are generating very nice ROI.

      I understand that in tournament is even worse as you may be gone from tournamnent, but again this is about making right decisions not about results of particular hand or tourney.

      Every time you suffer such bad beat you should tell your self that you are really lucky that such players are still there. And with new optimism start trying again, again and again.

      With proper BRM your results will show up in time.

      Funktor