What does AI in EV graph line tells about your play?

    • Sinnology
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      Hello guys!

      I wonder how much AI in EV tells about your game( I am talking about graphical display here).
      I play SSS and sometimes cant understand how can my play can be -EV if I shove strong PP preflop and get called?

      I ve also noticed that my EV follows my winnings( loosing ) line in shape but its always higher of it, sometimes much much higher.

      So I wonder does this shit has any real value or its just for some theoretic prepositions and analysis?

      Thx
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    • NightFrostaSS
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      Whenever you get it in preflop let's say AA vs QQ and win the whole pot you run above EV because AA isn't 100% to win and so not 100% of the pot belongs to you ldo.

      To me personally AIEV doesn't say much because I quite rarely get it in before the river.
    • Kruppe
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      how about posting the graph?
    • Sinnology
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      Originally posted by Kruppe
      how about posting the graph?
      Great Idea!

      Here it is



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    • ladman
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      well that graph on a larger sample might indicate that you play too many flips or it could just be a lil downswing
    • NightFrostaSS
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      My educated eye tells me that you have lost 26.78$ over the sample of 5437 hands, I've made some calculations and it draws me to a conclusion that over this sample you have actually lost money!

      Hope it helps

      /A
    • Sinnology
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      As a matter of fact I am experiancing liitle downswing.
      This graph is all from playing on pokerstars and I just wrote a post in downswing session few hours before about it .
      Here it is Downswing repport

      I played on Ongame before and grind to Nl50, but I used money for other stuff so I had to go back to NL10 and then they moved min BI to 35BI so I made a transition to PS 7 days ago.
      This graph is from that....
      I deff. have some leaks to fix, but I deff. dont play many flips( AK and JJ, very very rarely TT and 99 if I find oponent loose enough with wide range).

      Cheers
    • Sinnology
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      Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
      My educated eye tells me that you have lost 26.78$ over the sample of 5437 hands, I've made some calculations and it draws me to a conclusion that over this sample you have actually lost money!

      Hope it helps

      /A
      I hope that other 1,8k posts you made on this board are not so time and space wasting than this one.

      Best regards
    • BOBOsvk
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      imagine u have 100$ and hold AKs

      u lose AI preflop against 66, (50:50); so u are 50$ under EV
      if u hit an ace u are 50$ over EV

      if see the board first, hit an ace and move all in on the river and 66 calls u are on ur EV
    • nibbana
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      Originally posted by Sinnology
      Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
      My educated eye tells me that you have lost 26.78$ over the sample of 5437 hands, I've made some calculations and it draws me to a conclusion that over this sample you have actually lost money!

      Hope it helps

      /A
      I hope that other 1,8k posts you made on this board are not so time and space wasting than this one.

      Best regards
      You obv haven't met NightFrostaSS. Sinnology, this is NightFrostaSS. NightFrostaSS, this is Sinnology.
    • NightFrostaSS
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      I thought this was one of my more useful posts
    • MrMardyBum
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      Originally posted by Sinnology
      Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
      My educated eye tells me that you have lost 26.78$ over the sample of 5437 hands, I've made some calculations and it draws me to a conclusion that over this sample you have actually lost money!

      Hope it helps

      /A
      I hope that other 1,8k posts you made on this board are not so time and space wasting than this one.

      Best regards

      I hope they are, at least someone makes me chuckle on this forum :P
    • lennonac
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      In NightFrostaSS' defence this thread is asking to get trolled
    • Dublimax
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      Originally posted by BOBOsvk
      imagine u have 100$ and hold AKs

      u lose AI preflop against 66, (50:50); so u are 50$ under EV
      if u hit an ace u are 50$ overEV
      if you lose (win) you are 100$ below (above)EV not 50.
    • elhh82
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      Originally posted by Dublimax
      Originally posted by BOBOsvk
      imagine u have 100$ and hold AKs

      u lose AI preflop against 66, (50:50); so u are 50$ under EV
      if u hit an ace u are 50$ overEV
      if you lose (win) you are 100$ below (above)EV not 50.
      I think its $50. At least thats how it's being calculated in HEM.

      In a $100 pot with 50% equity, your EV = $100*50% = $50. If you win, you get $100, so you are $50 over. Lose you get $0, so you are $50 under.
    • NightFrostaSS
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      Originally posted by elhh82
      Originally posted by Dublimax
      Originally posted by BOBOsvk
      imagine u have 100$ and hold AKs

      u lose AI preflop against 66, (50:50); so u are 50$ under EV
      if u hit an ace u are 50$ overEV
      if you lose (win) you are 100$ below (above)EV not 50.
      I think its $50. At least thats how it's being calculated in HEM.

      In a $100 pot with 50% equity, your EV = $100*50% = $50. If you win, you get $100, so you are $50 over. Lose you get $0, so you are $50 under.
      Ugh, if he goes all in preflop with 100$ stack the pot is 200$



      keep on trucking! 8-)

      /A
    • NightFrostaSS
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      Well not necessarily, but since there was no mention of another guy having a smaller stack, that's how we should read it imo. :spade:
    • Dublimax
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      Originally posted by NightFrostaSS
      Originally posted by elhh82
      Originally posted by Dublimax
      Originally posted by BOBOsvk
      imagine u have 100$ and hold AKs

      u lose AI preflop against 66, (50:50); so u are 50$ under EV
      if u hit an ace u are 50$ overEV
      if you lose (win) you are 100$ below (above)EV not 50.
      I think its $50. At least thats how it's being calculated in HEM.

      In a $100 pot with 50% equity, your EV = $100*50% = $50. If you win, you get $100, so you are $50 over. Lose you get $0, so you are $50 under.
      Ugh, if he goes all in preflop with 100$ stack the pot is 200$



      keep on trucking! 8-)

      /A
      +1