BRM/motivation problems

    • MIMIso
      MIMIso
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      Hi, as you can see above I have some serious BRM and motivation problems.

      Last Monday, I started playing at William Hill poker with just 30$. Played 0.1/0.2$ for like half an hour, got extremly bored, and just closed the tables and went to NL20.

      After few hours, I had ~80$. Then I decided not to go to higher levels(I knew that is not going to happen) unless I have a good BR.

      Played micro limits for some time, had some small profit, and then the same thing happens. I move up to NL50 with like ~100$. Stupid, I know.

      Had some great runs, boosted my BR up to 280$ that day.

      Day after that, even NL50 was boring to play, considering all that sweet cash I had. Moved up to Nl100.

      At one point, I had 420$. And then the unevitable happend.

      Lost half of it on AA vs 55 hand. After half an hour, the other half was lost to AK vs A5 hand on a K 5 7 flop(he rivered trips).


      I am not complaining about those bad beats, that is poker, I know it happens.(although I don't know understand how that guy called 4bet with A5o and played a huge pot with a pair of 5's)


      Basically, my main problem is motivation to play if I don't put all my money at stake. Funny thing, somehow I have 5$ left and atm I feel great playing NL5. More exciting then when I played NL50 with 100$ BR.

      Good thing is, after playing those huge pots, I won 65$ in rake race for this week.

      Any advice how to get properly motivated would be more then welcome.

      Please fell free to call me an idiot. :) )
  • 19 replies
    • tokyoaces
      tokyoaces
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      Joined: 01.04.2009 Posts: 1,883
      You don't play poker to win money you play it for the thrill of gambling.

      That is a completely valid reason to play poker.

      Set a monthly deposit limit and enjoy your hobby responsibly. :f_love:
    • supeyrio
      supeyrio
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      Joined: 11.11.2009 Posts: 3,106
      Completely acceptable if ur aim to have fun
    • Schnitzelfisch
      Schnitzelfisch
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      Joined: 08.11.2008 Posts: 4,952
      It's easy. Deposit your own money, like $1k of it, and you won't be so spewy, trust me ;) . Either that or going broke a certain amount of times gambling like this, which will either make you quit poker or, in better case, stick to BRM :) .

      Primzi
    • MIMIso
      MIMIso
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      Joined: 16.02.2010 Posts: 63
      @Tokyo

      I have never made a deposit yet. Only free bankrolls and freeroll winnings. :)

      Maybe, as Primzi said, that is the main reason I have my crazy moments. Since I don't feel it like real money, just chips to play with.

      As I said, that 65$ from the rake race will be a solid BR to begin with.

      I will try really hard to stick to BRM. I am sure the results will come, considering myself atelast a decent player, my game is pretty good when I am in the mood.

      Aaaaah, stupid, stupid, stupid NL2. :)
    • garyk5846
      garyk5846
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      Joined: 10.07.2010 Posts: 60
      Good luck, I'll be interested to see how you got on, keep in touch
    • NeilSimpson
      NeilSimpson
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      Joined: 14.06.2010 Posts: 123
      ive done the same countless times ebecause i was just playing for fun. throw on 50 bucks and try and win as much as possible in 1 sitting going up through the limits...i made it to 2000 on one occasion on pokerstars and then of course lost it all!im now going to be sticking to BR management with $600 of my own cash so hopefully it will go well!
    • MrPavlos
      MrPavlos
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      Joined: 12.02.2009 Posts: 553
      get a job,go see how money is made,go work 8 hours for 30-50 euros and then come back home and u wont be as spewy imo.

      If u are already working then nevermind

      GL anyway
    • MatejM47
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      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      Well if you have a job and earn enough from that so it doesn't really affect you if you lose a few 100 bucks then i see no problem taking poker as a hobby. But if you want to take it siriously you have to have a pretty decent BRM to move up the limits safely, with out going on tilt from bad beats and wasting your whole roll in a session.

      There are definetly a lot of people that play it for fun, have a monthly deposit limit of how much they can afford to lose and play with that. I really so no problems with that, considering you need money for every hobby. People like that are the reason we're making money out of it.
    • MIMIso
      MIMIso
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      Hello again, last night I received those 65$ from rake race.

      Since William Hill has pretty wierd micro tables( for 0.1/0.2 game maximum buy in is 5$, instead of 2$, and 0.2/0.4 aswell 5$) I decided to play 0.2/0.4 right away.

      Finished the whole session with ~73$. I was very satisfied with that considering I lost all big pots. AA vs 77(8$ pot), AQ vs Q6(~6$), KK vs Q9(5$) and so on.

      Tonight I have a 1200$ freeroll, only 10 participants, cool stuff.

      The most important thing, I feel really comfortable playing now. Although I will need some time to adopt micro limits and jungle boy players.
    • hackbinder
      hackbinder
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      Joined: 15.05.2009 Posts: 618
      It took me a while to learn this. But then again, I am the kind of person who looks for security.

      1) If you have some game, you will not need to reload, ever.

      2) It is very satisfying to build something slowly, knowing that unless you are a complete idiot, it will not be destroyed by one, two, or even 10 bad beats.

      Me, my rules are a 5% BI. One could get creative if this seems conservative. You could, say, do 10% BI but move down if you lose 2 BI, so you can build back up and take another shot.

      But then again, rules exist to keep people safe. From what I read, you seem to be an adventure-seeker. Some people just feel at home on the edge! You gotta let people be themselves.

      :f_thumbsup:
    • MIMIso
      MIMIso
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      Whoot, just finished 3rd in a freeroll. 80$ is always welcome. :)

      I don't have much time to play cash game theese days, played maybe 1k hands, not much of a profit, ~8$. Funny thing how I always lose big pots, suckouts mostly, and pick up some change with monsters. But that will change eventually, no doubt. They can't always hit a set against my aces. :)

      BR: 152.18$

      Not bad. Double up in 3 days. :f_cool:

      :)
    • MIMIso
      MIMIso
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      Blah, I will really need patience for this crap.

      Lost 4 flips in a row for a huge pot. Mostly QQ vs AK pf AI. Once I even floped a set, but he just had to hit jack for Broadway.

      That hand really pissed me off. Stupid AK all-iners, hope they all drop dead.

      Down to 130$(I am suprised how it's not even bigger loss, considering all those ul hands).

      Overal, I am satisfied with my play today, especially on that freeroll. Of course, it can always be better.

      I'm thinking about switching to MTT, since that was always my main game, started cash recently. Problem is, there is not much micro MTT's at WH.


      Party Poker rocks. :)
    • MrMardyBum
      MrMardyBum
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      MIMIso, you should start a blog as this is slowly becoming more like a blog :)
    • fusionpk
      fusionpk
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      i do this often, but i now restricted table limits etc and I also do my own blog, that way its much harder to go astray. gl at the tables.
    • MIMIso
      MIMIso
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      Ok, I just lost all.(yes, sticking to BRM)

      This is my worst swing ever. Countless bad beats, river 5% hits, set over set, AA/KK always facing a set, wining maybe 20-30% of flips. Blaaah

      Even in my last hand I had to get sucked out. AK vs A9. Flop 5 10 A. River 9.

      Before that, I lost a 99.7% won hand vs 2 players! QJ vs AK vs AK. Flop comes QQJ, turn king, river king.


      Stupid cash games, I hated that shit always.

      I need to chill for a while, but I can't quit poker, and there is no reason to do so.

      Switcihng to something I always did best, MTT's. In March, I started from freerolls on Party Poker. Got up to 1000$ in month! Being stupid as I am, decided to withdraw it and spend on some bullshit.

      Of course, now it is a bit hard to do it again.

      So I will play some freerolls in this "chilling period". And when I get some time and money(probably winter time), I will deposit 1000$ on PP, and play MTT, which I really enjoy.
    • Sk8Surf
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      william hill is one of the worst sites i have played the set ups are horrible the players have 0 clue its a "Donk Farm" but there amazingly lucky so can see ig you lost . second poker strategy's BR manegment thing is way off .
    • wasy8
      wasy8
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      Joined: 29.01.2009 Posts: 1,507
      Originally posted by Sk8Surf
      william hill is one of the worst sites i have played the set ups are horrible the players have 0 clue its a "Donk Farm"
      oh really? i guess that sounds pretty horrible if you hate money. if you like money, 'Donk farm' = 'cash cows'

      Originally posted by Sk8Surf
      second poker strategy's BR manegment thing is way off .
      please enlighten us on your highly successful brm strategy. i happen to think a nittier brm strategy (compared to PS.com's) is usually appropriate if your BR is irreplacable - meaning you will not be depositing again if you go busto
    • stevegold87
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      Each post I am reading in this thread from you just make a bell ring in my head :

      This guy is made for REAL LIFE poker.

      You want to play NL100 and the thrill of gambling while that, when you win you actually win something that's worth something?

      That is why casino are for. While you can play many free rolls you will realize that spending 4 hours for even first place 100$ will get annoying. (Specially since you won't make it to first place very often)

      If you go to the casino, you get to talk with people, and most of the people don't even know what the letters BRM means. They go there with 200$ just go have a good evening, and with your poker skills, 70% of the time you should come out winning.

      GL and I really think my advice is a good idea for you :P
    • MIMIso
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      Not actually. I played NL100 earlier more because of the blinds(I believe that sounds strange). Really felt there was no action at all playing 0.2/0.4$ or something. Like there is no goal playing that.

      On the other hand, every tournament I play, gets me motivatated every time the blinds go up.

      But WH tournaments are really crappy. My highest MTT was 10$, and those idiots play like it's a freeroll. You can't really do much if you are card dead for the first, say, half an hour. And AK/AQ is not really the hand you should play. I busted on that one with AQ vs 95s.

      When I was playing on Party Poker, people there are carefull even on 1$ MTT's. Yes, I know it is easier to win agaisnt donks, but on William Hill they are just playing cards, not poker. And if you don't get any, you are practically screwed.

      It is true, I love live poker. That is the real donk fest. Last time I played, started laughing like crazy when dealer said:"Nine players in the hand".

      And it was mid stage tournament. :f_biggrin: