[NL2-NL10] Instructional sample hands #12 - Part 1

  • Poll
    • What is the correct move here and why?

      • 31
        bet/fold
        66%
      • 10
        check/fold
        21%
      • 4
        bet/call
        9%
      • 2
        check/call
        4%
      Total: 47 Votes
    • Puschkin81
      Puschkin81
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2006 Posts: 4,786
      0.50/1.00 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K:diamond: , K:spade:
      MP2 folds, MP3 raises to $4.00, CO folds, BU calls $4.00, Hero raises to $18.00, BB calls $17.00, MP3 folds, BU calls $14.00.

      Flop: ($58.00) T:diamond: , 4:diamond: , A:heart: (3 players)
      Hero???

      a) Bet/fold (How much do you bet? What do you do if someone called the bet?)
      b) Bet/call
      c) Check/fold
      d) Check/call
  • 10 replies
    • ciRith
      ciRith
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.03.2005 Posts: 18,556
      I bet 40$ and fold to a raise and if called I think I check/fold the turn.
      BU and BB both only called/coldcalled preflop so it's more likely a suited connetor or a pocketpair than an ace.
    • LitBe
      LitBe
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.08.2007 Posts: 15
      check/fold. i think BU or BB must Have something like a AQ, or AJ at least. even if they have poket pairs, it can be TT
    • random3
      random3
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.02.2007 Posts: 119
      I think c-bet is in order here, I would bet/fold 30$ (a bit smaller then usual because its a re-raised pot) and try to check it down if I get called unless I hit K on turn. Out equity against any ace or set is terrible so it's an easy fold if we meet any resistance.

      Sometimes I go for simple check/fold as well. Bet/call is worst of all options I think, and check/call is not much better, might be good sometimes if they minbet or something.
    • rubysilesia
      rubysilesia
      Silver
      Joined: 03.07.2007 Posts: 351
      Very unlucky flop. Second pair OOP, in reriased pot, 2 opponents, no draw, ace high flop is an easy check/fold imo.

      From PokerStove:

      equity win tie
      Hand 0: 13.224% 12.44% 00.78% { KdKs }
      Hand 1: 43.388% 38.96% 04.43% { TT+, AJs+, AJo+ }
      Hand 2: 43.388% 38.96% 04.43% { TT+, AJs+, AJo+ }
      ******
      Hand 0: 11.726% 08.02% 03.70% { KdKs }
      Hand 1: 44.137% 38.63% 05.51% { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
      Hand 2: 44.137% 38.63% 05.51% { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
    • Puschkin81
      Puschkin81
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2006 Posts: 4,786
      Shame on you rubysilesia! ;)

      Why don't you use our great Equilator? :D
    • rubysilesia
      rubysilesia
      Silver
      Joined: 03.07.2007 Posts: 351
      Yeah I confess. If it wasn't starting like 10 times slower than PS I would love to use it for sure ;)
    • rubysilesia
      rubysilesia
      Silver
      Joined: 03.07.2007 Posts: 351
      I ask you to put stack sizes to sample hands, It's very important factor that is underestimated by beginners (I forget to look at it plenty times). So far I've been assuming 100BB.
    • Puschkin81
      Puschkin81
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      Joined: 14.04.2006 Posts: 4,786
      Thanks rubysilesia!

      If I don't say anything about stack sizes, it's always 100BB.

      Good luck at the tables!
      Puschkin81
    • Zozuu
      Zozuu
      Bronze
      Joined: 26.08.2007 Posts: 2
      I think minibetting in order to pretent a suckbet and saving money is the right option. If you bet about 12$ any jj and qq should fold. Any Ace beyond AK should simply call and checkdown. If the turn or river brings any K or card that is very unlikely to help your opponent and you put him on a hand like A9, AJ or AQ indicated by his checks you could push all in at the river to make him fold his hand. You should be aware of his Pokerace stats or his habbits you watched before. Push only if he isnt usually calling weak hands. And you can probably only get good players to fold their Ace, so watch out!
    • Puschkin81
      Puschkin81
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2006 Posts: 4,786
      Only 20% were correct here:

      Hero check/folds. Both opponents are unknown and often at least one of them has an ace here. We don't get both of them to fold often enough to make a continuation bet profitable. Check/call doesn't work either because we are drawing to two outs and have a really small equity against all Ax hands.