Rush poker tendencies

    • matel17
      matel17
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      Joined: 11.07.2010 Posts: 1,278
      Hi all,
      I've played several thousand hands at rush poker and I've noticed the tendency to either have a really good session, or a really bad one with unlucky cards, bad beats etc..

      Is this common? Is it normal in other styles as well? I always approach the game with the same attitude (more or less) and I never played unless I feel good about playing so that shouldn't be it.

      I also find it kind of strange that most bad beats happen in a very short time span. Mathematically speaking, shouldn't they be spread out? Say for example 1 or 2 every 15 to 20 hands?
  • 13 replies
    • Shevtshenko
      Shevtshenko
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      Joined: 06.12.2009 Posts: 4,103
      Variance. That's what it's called. And no, atleast I haven't noticed such thing any more in rush than in normal ring games. Sometimes you run good sometimes bad but decisions are what matter.
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,909
      I also find it kind of strange that most bad beats happen in a very short time span. Mathematically speaking, shouldn't they be spread out? Say for example 1 or 2 every 15 to 20 hands?
      I love this part :f_love: !

      Yes, they are spread out but 2-3k hands is nothing. With just a little effort one can put in that kind of volume daily. Long term is very very very long... What you are saying there is you could predict the future based on passed events which you cannot! Dice have no memory sums it up very well.
    • Leito99
      Leito99
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      ah screw this i was expecting some some advice on rush instead of complaining :f_mad:
    • matel17
      matel17
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      Thanks for the answers.. appreciated!


      Originally posted by Leito99
      ah screw this i was expecting some some advice on rush instead of complaining :f_mad:
      Haha.. i'm absolutely in no position to give advice so if you want advice don't click on my threads.. at least for a couple of years :tongue:
    • tokyoaces
      tokyoaces
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      Joined: 01.04.2009 Posts: 1,883
      The "speed" of Rush poker has a few interesting effects. In general people have a tighter range, but there are also some psychological effects. I think the act of quick folding a lot leads to people not slowing down when they actually do have a hand so you make decisions too quickly which leads to mistakes. Also you are playing a lot more hands in the same period of time so your brain jumps to illogical conclusions because of the time compression.

      In any case there are videos about Rush here and on Full Tilt Poker Academy. They have lots of good advice for you.
    • bringspring
      bringspring
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      Joined: 19.08.2010 Posts: 29
      1 found only 1 video about rush - nl10 fullring. Is that correct? Anyone can share some good links on strategys in rush? or more videos?
    • OZSA
      OZSA
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      Joined: 18.05.2009 Posts: 804
      I exactly know what you talk about. I have sessions of 3k hands where I just breakeven or plus only around 100-200bb, but there are the more common session where I ran into quads with my flop full house, about 2-3 times in 3k hands, also loosing 2-3flop straight and the minimum till now is 3 AA preflop allin that are lost, I'm talking about 70k hands here what I made this month, there was no single day in rush when I didnt loose at least 2 AA, at least 2 straight and 2 flop full houses..I cant call it variance, smt stinks I just cant explain it, I'm sure the "winning" poker players never see such thing to repeat daily, over and over again, let me show u an example

      I had a bad beat session as usual yesterday and this hand came up

      I simply knew, I felt he has quads, but I couldnt fold the turn, but see the river..my gf was near me, tell me WTF ? check? I'm like, its quads ffs!!!

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      MP1:
      $6.51
      MP2 (Hero):
      $16.69
      MP3:
      $10.07
      CO:
      $18.15
      BU:
      $10.65
      SB:
      $2.18
      BB:
      $10.00
      UTG1:
      $15.29
      UTG2:
      $5.11


      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 3, 3.
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, MP3 folds, CO calls $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20.

      Flop: ($0.95) 4, 4, 3 (3 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.95, BB calls $0.95, Hero calls $0.95.

      Turn: ($3.8) J (3 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $3.80, BB calls $3.80, Hero calls $3.80.

      River: ($15.2) 6 (3 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

      Final Pot: $15.2.
      Results follow:

      BB shows four of a kind, fours(4 4).
      CO shows two pairs, jacks and fours(J T).
      Hero shows a full-house, threes full of fours(3 3).

      BB wins with four of a kind, fours(4 4).

      and just after this

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      BB (Hero):
      $15.72
      UTG1:
      $3.80
      UTG2:
      $10.00
      MP1:
      $4.95
      MP2:
      $18.86
      MP3:
      $11.10
      CO:
      $11.02
      BU:
      $12.67
      SB:
      $7.85


      Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 8.
      4 folds, MP3 raises to $0.30, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.20.

      Flop: ($0.65) 8, 6, T (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.40, MP3 raises to $1.40, Hero raises to $15.42, MP3 calls $9.40.

      Turn: ($26.87) T (2 players)


      River: ($26.87) A (2 players)


      Final Pot: $26.87.
      Results follow:

      MP3 shows four of a kind, tens(T T).
      Hero shows a full-house, eights full of tens(8 8).

      MP3 wins with four of a kind, tens(T T).

      the inevitable spots where u cant do a shit..

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $10.04
      BU (Hero):
      $10.00
      SB:
      $3.35
      BB:
      $24.27
      UTG1:
      $13.29
      UTG2:
      $20.72
      MP1:
      $11.73
      MP2:
      $7.87
      MP3:
      $4.00


      Preflop: Hero is BU with K, J.
      3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.30, SB folds, BB calls $0.20.

      Flop: ($0.95) 5, 5, 3 (3 players)
      BB checks, MP2 bets $0.95, Hero raises to $9.70(All-In), BB folds, MP2 calls $6.62(All-In).

      Turn: ($18.22) 6 (2 players)


      River: ($18.22) 2 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $18.22.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of fives(K J).
      MP2 shows two pairs, tens and fives(T T).

      MP2 wins with two pairs, tens and fives(T T).

      also this, its close to impossible to fold this hand..

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      MP3:
      $36.15
      CO:
      $10.48
      BU (Hero):
      $10.00
      SB:
      $16.47
      BB:
      $11.07
      UTG1:
      $1.66
      UTG2:
      $4.00
      MP1:
      $13.44
      MP2:
      $10.03


      Preflop: Hero is BU with A, A.
      6 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB folds, BB raises to $0.95, Hero raises to $2.30, BB calls $1.35.

      Flop: ($4.65) J, 3, T (2 players)
      BB bets $8.77, Hero calls $7.70.

      Turn: ($21.12) 6 (2 players)


      River: ($21.12) 9 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $21.12.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of aces(A A).
      BB shows a straight, king high(Q K).

      BB wins with a straight, king high(Q K).

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      CO (Hero):
      $11.84
      BU:
      $7.93
      SB:
      $13.46
      BB:
      $5.30
      UTG1:
      $17.51
      UTG2:
      $12.46
      MP1:
      $6.25
      MP2:
      $4.60
      MP3:
      $3.60


      Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A.
      2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.40, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.10, 3 folds, MP1 calls $0.70.

      Flop: ($2.35) Q, J, K (2 players)
      MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.30, MP1 raises to $5.15, Hero calls $3.85.

      Turn: ($12.65) 6 (2 players)


      River: ($12.65) 4 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $12.65.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of aces(A A).
      MP1 shows a flush, king high(7 3).

      MP1 wins with a flush, king high(7 3).

      unfoldable hands, that lose everyday, and I'm not posting how many AA I folded on the turn/river, at least daily 2 aswell...variance? dunno really, also what sucks, in the "very bad" session I have lets say 50 AT-AK, from which not a single one hits top pair on board, and if it does its again 2pair or set..
    • bringspring
      bringspring
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      Joined: 19.08.2010 Posts: 29
      change back to normal fullring game. rush is only good for opening bonuses and getting rakeback ..

      or but more pressure on players preflop with your monsters.
    • matel17
      matel17
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.07.2010 Posts: 1,278
      I know what you mean OZSA. Just now I also had a bad session: I know I made a few mistakes (and I'm working on that :) ) but I know exactly what you mean by "feels like something's up."

      I don't know, I'm a beginner - I'm sure I'm responsible for most of my losses. I'll give it another go and if I have a losing sessions (losses I can't control) I guess I'll go back to sit n gos (where I'm mostly winning!).

      Good to discuss it here though, cheers and good luck!

      Matt
    • OZSA
      OZSA
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      Joined: 18.05.2009 Posts: 804
      for me this started around 2months ago, but to be so regular its 1month, and im not really beginner, must have played at least 250k hands, or 300k+. actually rush is bad, its not good to play, but i still clear the bonus by playing rush, which sux..i hate it
    • matel17
      matel17
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      Joined: 11.07.2010 Posts: 1,278
      Is there a second bonus given by Pokerstrategy?
    • OZSA
      OZSA
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.05.2009 Posts: 804
      Originally posted by bringspring
      change back to normal fullring game. rush is only good for opening bonuses and getting rakeback ..

      or but more pressure on players preflop with your monsters.
      btw, in NL10 FR rush, people fuckin openshove AA..hows that for pressure?:) )
    • bringspring
      bringspring
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      Joined: 19.08.2010 Posts: 29
      Originally posted by OZSA
      Originally posted by bringspring
      change back to normal fullring game. rush is only good for opening bonuses and getting rakeback ..

      or but more pressure on players preflop with your monsters.
      btw, in NL10 FR rush, people fuckin openshove AA..hows that for pressure?:) )
      yeah. why not? they are tired of raising 3.5 BB and getting 3-4 callers. Can happen, when someone calls from early position, then everyone wants to see the flop and hit there crap .. :f_biggrin:

      Dealing with a flop with more then 1 player (any kind. dry or not) is awful utg with a pair of aces ..