[NL2-NL10] 89s - 3 Players to flop - Flop two pair - Wet Board - major action

    • MrMardyBum
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      NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
      SB ($6.54)
      BB ($5.08)
      UTG ($14.02)
      UTG+1 ($11.51)
      CO ($18.56)
      Hero ($17.19)

      Dealt to Hero 8:diamond: 9:diamond:

      fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.30, fold, Hero calls $0.30, fold, BB calls $0.20

      FLOP ($0.95) 9:heart: Q:club: 8:club:

      BB bets $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.40, Hero raises to $1.20, BB raises to $4.78 (AI), UTG+1 raises to $11.21 (AI), Hero ....?

      UTG: 19/16, but seen a few dubious raises from UTG, I suspect trying to get to the fish in the BB though as he seems to be a fairly TAG type of player.

      BB: 47/12 Never laid down a hand in the BB yet. (6 orbits)

      So I call the UTG raise pretty confident that the BB is going to call and I'll get to see a flop with a nice hand that plays well post-flop.

      Just wondering what you would do in this spot, I'll post what I did after.
  • 6 replies
    • yeahyoung0312
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      Snap fold IMO, you don't even need to think about range and stuff. Against 2 players you can't go broke with bottom 2 pairs.

      For example if one player had the nut straight and the other had nut FD, then you had 18% EV.

      Against a top set and a FD you had a miserable .5% EV.

      Against top 2 pairs and a FD you had 9% EV. etc...

      Only when against a overpair and a FD do you have 43% EV.

      Doyle Brunson said bottom 2 pairs is the hand that he lost full stack for the most of times.

      I bet you were glad you folded when you saw the hands.
    • MrMardyBum
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      Cheater :P
    • yeahyoung0312
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      Originally posted by MrMardyBum
      Cheater :P
      What? Was I right?
    • MrMardyBum
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      Yeah that I folded, thought you may of looked in my blog lol.

      But one had Q,3 (fish in BB) and the TAG had T,Jos
    • yeahyoung0312
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      Originally posted by MrMardyBum
      Yeah that I folded, thought you may of looked in my blog lol.

      But one had Q,3 (fish in BB) and the TAG had T,Jos
      I didn't need to look at your blog. All I needed was going through the equilator :P

      Was educational for me too. Especially in a tournament this could be a critical moment.
    • MaestroOfZerg
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      Hi,


      Agreed, tho it's pretty bad for UTG to just call the fish's donkbet with anything strong enough to jam over a 3-bet. That'd puzzle me a bit, then I'd think "hey even tags are just bad he could be slowplaying tons of stuff" and look at our equity like yeahyoung said, then end up mucking.


      Hope it helps.