[NL2-NL10] NL 10 JJ, against river shove

    • Pichux
      Pichux
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      $10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, August 27, 12:29:45 ET 2010
      Table Jisum (Real Money)
      Seat 10 is the button
      Seat 1: olegim76 ( $8.37 USD )
      Seat 3: sttan ( $10.15 USD )
      Seat 5: Aptrlmn ( $10.14 USD )
      Seat 6: Piters1990 ( $11.71 USD )
      Seat 8: mattew80 ( $2.70 USD )
      Seat 10: Idontlovenl2 ( $18.50 USD )
      olegim76 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
      sttan posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
      ** Dealing down cards **
      Dealt to Piters1990 [ J :diamond: J :spade: ]
      Aptrlmn folds
      Piters1990 raises [$0.35 USD]
      mattew80 folds
      Idontlovenl2 folds
      olegim76 calls [$0.30 USD]
      sttan folds
      ** Dealing Flop ** [ 3 :club: , 6 :diamond: , 6 :spade: ]
      olegim76 checks
      Piters1990 bets [$0.60 USD]
      olegim76 raises [$1.20 USD]
      Piters1990 calls [$0.60 USD]
      ** Dealing Turn ** [ T :heart: ]
      olegim76 bets [$1.60 USD]
      Piters1990 calls [$1.60 USD]
      ** Dealing River ** [ 9 :diamond: ]
      olegim76 bets [$5.22 USD]
      Piters1990 folds

      Villain: 16/11/0.6 88h big sample

      Not quite sure what to do here. His line shows pretty much strength, possibly a PP that connected to the board. Maybe even slowplayed QQ, KK, AA? Should i be more aggresive on earlier streets?
  • 6 replies
    • MaestroOfZerg
      MaestroOfZerg
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      Hi,


      Against, 88 hands isn't a big sample by any means. It's ridiculously small as far as poker stats are concerned, even if it's usually enough to get a fair idea of stats like vpip/pfr.

      It's not that hard, he's probably never bluffing and he's most likely incapable of betting the turn so strong for value with stuff like 88 because of the T overcard, if he happened to check/minraise that on the flop. That means he doesn't care about the T, which means your JJ is no good. It's a spot where it doesnt really matter that he can only represent 33/66 and slowplayed premiums, the simple fact is it's impossible for him to play a worse hand like that unless he's starring on Nits Gone Wild.

      I think just calling the flop is the right move, just for the chance he's check/raising a pure bluff once in a blue moon, a smaller pocket pair "for protection" or something. If you 3bet him he won't continue with worse most likely. And when he bombs the overcard turn you can pretty much forget about worse hands and expect a river bet as well, so instead of burning money by calling turn folding river you should just fold the turn.


      Hope it helps.
    • yeahyoung0312
      yeahyoung0312
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      Originally posted by MaestroOfZerg
      It's a spot where it doesnt really matter that he can only represent 33/66 and slowplayed premiums, the simple fact is it's impossible for him to play a worse hand like that unless he's starring on Nits Gone Wild.
      Wonder which channel is it on sir?
    • johnylee
      johnylee
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      re raise / all in on flop?
    • yeahyoung0312
      yeahyoung0312
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      Originally posted by johnylee
      re raise / all in on flop?
      re-raise/fold sounds more reasonable :P
    • MaestroOfZerg
      MaestroOfZerg
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      Hi,

      Originally posted by yeahyoung0312
      Originally posted by MaestroOfZerg
      It's a spot where it doesnt really matter that he can only represent 33/66 and slowplayed premiums, the simple fact is it's impossible for him to play a worse hand like that unless he's starring on Nits Gone Wild.
      Wonder which channel is it on sir?
      Nobody bought the concept, nits inherently don't make for good content, even when they go wild they're just nonsensically spewing.
    • MaestroOfZerg
      MaestroOfZerg
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      Hi,

      Originally posted by johnylee
      re raise / all in on flop?
      If you think a 16/11 raise/calls off all overpairs in that spot go ahead and 3bet/call him. I don't. I think more often than not he:

      - has exactly what he's representing because he's a nit, and JJ doesn't fare well against his value range.

      - is badly raise/folding a small overpair "for information", and he'll fold to a shove.

      - is sometimes pulling a move because he's bored, and he'll fold to a jam.



      Hope it helps.