[NL2-NL10] Live Hand

    • bradomurder
      bradomurder
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.10.2008 Posts: 1,329
      This is 400NL but i'm posting here cos the level of play is pretty low live.

      My stacks about $500

      MP2 has about $200 and is a reg who knows i'm a nit I cant remember the action but he limped after a limper

      I'm in the BB with Q :diamond: 2 :diamond:

      3 calls to me and I check

      Flop: (4 players) $16
      2 :spade: Q :club: K :diamond:

      SB checks, I bet $10, fold, MP2 raises to $35 I call

      Turn: (2 players) $81
      2 :spade: Q :club: K :diamond: A :diamond:
      Check, check

      River:
      2 :spade: Q :club: K :diamond: A :diamond: 10 :heart:

      I bet $10, he calls

      should I be getting this AI on the flop vs this player?
  • 3 replies
    • MaestroOfZerg
      MaestroOfZerg
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 5,510
      Hi,


      Weird spot.

      My first impression on that flop is that he's only representing one combo of 22, maybe some K2s, as I expect a nl400 "reg" to be able to value-raise QQ+/KQ against a limper instead of limping behind. If he's awful or extra-tricky it's possible but I doubt it. If he's bad enough to limp behind KK/QQ he can do it with AA as well tho, and with the cards already on the flop and our Q blocker there are 6 AA combos for 4 QQ-KK combos.

      Then again if he perceives you as a nit (just how sure are you about that?) he shouldn't be too inclined to make you fold stuff strong enough that you decided to lead with and when you 3bet he's going to fold his entire range of worse hands most likely, unless you make it so that he's looking at seemingly decent implied odds in position with his JT hands. Would he continue to barrel stuff like JT on the turn after you called the flop? Unlikely as well so there isn't much value in inducing by calling either.

      All-in-all I'd probably just assume he doesn't perceive me as nitty as I'd think because our perceived image is always subjective and take my chances 3betting the flop against mostly JT/dumbly slowplayed AA. About $120 looks fine.

      As played the turn A is pretty bad since it makes JT and getting raised off our diamonds would suck given the stacks so leading out isn't that appealing, I like your check.

      River is just awful and blockbetting is probably more likely to get us raised by a blurring range than anything else, I'd check/fold unless you think he was capable of pure-bluffing the flop 4-way against you, then gave up on the turn and felt like representing the J on the river, but frankly I find it hard to believe.


      Hope it helps.
    • bradomurder
      bradomurder
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.10.2008 Posts: 1,329
      Thanks for that. The comment about peoples perception in particular.

      Ok so he probably doesn't see me as a nit and although I have seen him every time i've been in i'm not convinced after this hand that he's that great.

      I think this guy is valueraising preflop pretty much every time. I also believe the he bets his big hands very hard (as i've seen a few in showdown). I'm not sure if he bluffs often but I haven't seen him show any

      I was including some Kx hands in his range too. there is a lot of small betting in this casino (as in most live games i've played) and after the turn check I put him on mostly Kx hands.

      I opted to blockbet to get an extra couple of blinds from these and because I thougt given the likelyhood of a J betting small in this game it would stop him bettng K high. I think checking after the turn action says pretty clearly that I have no J right?

      Looking back the 2,5BB is so tiny its almost funny.
    • MaestroOfZerg
      MaestroOfZerg
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 5,510
      Hi,


      Sure you rarely have Jx when you check the river to him but it's possible still, especially if you believe he's capable of betting something like two pairs for "thin value" once you check, you can check/raise and have him wonder whether you're trying to rep the J yourself. If he views you as tight it's likely not happening so you'd better off leading out with Jx.

      Also you said you haven't seen him bluff much yet so if he does indeed bet the river it's a pretty easy check/fold for you with a crappy two pairs hand.


      Hope it helps.