How to play these types of players..

    • SSSC2NV
      SSSC2NV
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      Joined: 29.03.2009 Posts: 136
      Guys, first off.. I think I might pull my whole roll from Merge and move to another site.. possibly back to FTP, unless someone has a better suggestion for where to put my roll.

      Anyways, I am an NL50/NL100 player and I seem to keep running into the same type of player.. night in and night out.

      The type is this:
      - limps 60-80% of their hands pre flop
      - Flat calls a pre flop raise after their limp
      - Checks flop
      - Calls flop bet
      - Checks turn
      - Calls LARGE turn bet (large enough that would put 90% of players out unless they had a better hand)
      - bets on the river

      Shows: 2 pair, flush, straight, trips EVERYTIME!!!!

      I dont know how this is possible, its absolutely sickening to me. I've bet so big, including pushing all in on the flop/turn with hands like 2 pair, sets and these idiots donk call, hitting flushes and straights... I just dont know what to do anymore!

      Another big one that I have seen more recently is guys on FD's, calling ANY size bet, praying they hit their flush.

      After cooling down and reviewing my hands, I've found that 90% of the time I've personally made the right play, maybe could of laid down the better hand knowing these guys and how they play...

      What do I do, continue playing MY GAME and know that variance will kick in and demolish these guys? Or is there a way to adapt and modify my game to get the upper hand?

      Thanks for the advice guys!

      Jeff
  • 15 replies
    • hackbinder
      hackbinder
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      I can't speak to your question about how to play those guys, but I can speak to Merge. First off, I loved their software but I was playing the same people ALL THE TIME. So I wanted to change sites. I had my roll on one of their sites and it was a hassle to get my money. It took a month, and that was three attempts and numerous little roadblocks / hassles along the way. And I am NOT someone who isn't careful. I had ALL my paperwork in order from the beginning.

      I have never had ANY issues AT ALL cashing out from FT.
    • conall88
      conall88
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      play for value

      play tight

      fold to weird reraises

      make sure you have a big enough bankroll

      play villain as much as possible

      take all his money

      :s_cool:
    • Hahaownedlolz
      Hahaownedlolz
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      Originally posted by conall88
      play for value

      play tight

      fold to weird reraises

      make sure you have a big enough bankroll

      play villain as much as possible

      take all his money

      ???

      Profit

      :s_cool:
      FYP
    • roswellx
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      I'd say try to stop being money oriented... That's where all we suffer I think but best players..
    • Fongie
      Fongie
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      Wait, you play nl100 and everyones a megawhale playing 60-80%vpip and never folding postflop? I think I gotta switch rooms :f_p:
    • conall88
      conall88
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      Joined: 02.01.2009 Posts: 1,715
      Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
      Originally posted by conall88
      play for value

      play tight

      fold to weird reraises

      make sure you have a big enough bankroll

      play villain as much as possible

      take all his money

      ???

      Profit

      :s_cool:
      FYP
      you forgot about collecting underpants :)
    • Targetme
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      well we call these people fish and when they dont hit there dead money =[
    • Targetme
      Targetme
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      well we call these people fish and when they dont hit there dead money =[
      play more hands and youll wish theres more of em
    • mishkagg
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      Joined: 29.07.2008 Posts: 1,354
      Funny thing that I found this text a few days ago:

      Less common at uNL, but increasingly common at higher levels (and deadly-dangerous when they do it right) is the Loose Passive preflop /Tight Aggressive postflop: this player is a total calling station idiot preflop. You'll often see preflop numbers of 75/11 or 68/6 for these folks. Don't fall for it! It's a ruse. These folks are splashing around in as many pots as they can as cheaply as they can, and then postflop they play POKER. They'll be folding a tremendous fraction of the time on the flop, escaping for 1 BB, but when they hit it will be with something sneaky-as-hell and solid-solid-solid. They then go into aggro mode, betting incredibly hard and relying on unobservant TAGs to call them down lighter because "hey, this idiot is 72/7, my TP3K dominates his range." They stack more TAGs than you and I could ever hope to, because their image gets them mad phat postflop action.

      This is about NL50+ so you just might have been hit by some of those guys.
    • chenny8888
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      lol i can't remember what book that was from... i remember the book itself was ok then i read that and was like "k this author is a retard"
    • Kruppe
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      it's true to some extent though, some 70 VPIP players are massively loose postflop and some are somewhat solid postflop. the latter type has often stacked me with random 2 pair vs TP, but that's just because i was too retarded to adjust
    • SSSC2NV
      SSSC2NV
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      Thanks for the replies guys, the advice has helped me achieve a better success rate against them. I find myself more conscious of these types of players - which I am actually seeing more of these days! Maybe its a new breed of player on the rise? I do my best to play tighter against them, and throw out fewer cbets without a made hand (the result of seeing that most will catch a small pair or a FD/SD and always take the turn card to see if it improves their hand.. even if the correct odds/value isnt there). Checking behind and taking a free turn card has really helped me in this position. My stats show that I am extracting less money from them than the rest of the table, which is better than losing :)

      All in all, I have made some SERIOUS progress in the last couple of weeks, really bringing my game to a more competitive level, thinking about decisons before I make them, being patient and looking for "spots" instead of trying to create spots. Some of my biggest pots have been because I've limped with a marginal hand with GREAT value and caught what I needed. Of course, thats not always the case, but a good example of where I am consciously looking for a good spot to make a move.

      Another good thing, I've now started to play 2 different sites at the same time (FTP and a Merge Network). Finding that this keeps my BR split, luck swings up and down less affected, and the best part - I can request withdrawls from both at the same time.. allowing me to stagger so I have money coming in every day or 2.

      All in all, life is getting better and I can see the possibility of poker becoming more than its current "addiction".. who knows what the future holds!
    • gadget51
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      Sounds like a site to print money to me. Whew! Gl and trynot to go broke with TPmidK vthem. :)
    • SSSC2NV
      SSSC2NV
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      Thanks bud...

      FYI... TPmK against them, I'm not being too agro - applied new personal rules to my play that disallow me to invest too much in those situations - save it for the truly profitable ones.
    • NatRPheM
      NatRPheM
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      Joined: 05.10.2008 Posts: 391
      Thanks for the info Ill be looking out for players like these even though I dont use a hud to se stats I notice how people play preflop slightly more than I do postflop, have been noticing some strange things lately though. That is at 3.30 double stack KO turbo`s. I guess Ill look through a few HHs to see whats going on lately.

      Thanks again for the heads up!