[NL20-NL50] oesd + 1 high card on ugly board ip

    • VzLOM
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      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      SB ($122)
      BB ($83.95)
      CO ($84.30)
      Hero ($50)

      BB antes $0.10
      CO antes $0.10
      Hero antes $0.10
      SB antes $0.10

      Dealt to Hero A:heart: J:spade:

      CO raises to $1.40, Hero calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25,
      fold

      FLOP ($5.30) K:club: 8:club: T:spade:

      SB bets $3.50, CO calls $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

      TURN ($15.80) K:club: 8:club: T:spade: 9:diamond:

      SB checks, CO bets $9, Hero ??


      do we have odds and implieds? sb 40\28\1.8\50hands CO 24\17\20hands (though i dont think stats means too much here)
      btw: we have some reverse implieds (vs JQ and fd)
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    • THESHade
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      I wouldnt call F, why are u doing this? its 3way and they are showing some strength, well yea , ur hand will be well disguised but would they stakc off without set there?
      As played:Fold, its nto even rainbow and its 3way and any of them could have a set or FD so ur otus are supersmall and ur str8 ownt be even disguised
    • VzLOM
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      on flop we have 3,5:1 . We are ip and have gutshot, overcard and bd. (furthermore we could actually even have better hand here vs fd, 67 and so on, that is not so likely but still a bonus)
      Agreed about turn
    • THESHade
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      Originally posted by VzLOM
      on flop we have 3,5:1 . We are ip and have gutshot, overcard and bd. (furthermore we could actually even have better hand here vs fd, 67 and so on, that is not so likely but still a bonus)
      Agreed about turn
      I domt nidn that much Flop call but u are wrong, ur outs arent clean so u shouldnt count all of em
    • VzLOM
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      ok lets do the math.
      On call we have 3,5 : 1 thats equal to 22%
      Even vs strongest range without bluffs and weak hands we have 16%. Furthermore we have ~3 clean outs on 1st nuts that have pretty good implieds vs bad players.

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      Борд: Kc Ts 8c
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      Эквити Выиграно Дележ Проиграно Рука
      Игрок 1: 16,292% 14,109% 4,444% 81,448% AhJs
      Игрок 2: 39,558% 37,727% 3,738% 58,535% 88-JJ, AKs, KTs+, QTs+, AKo, AJo, KJo+, QJo
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    • THESHade
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      Azbuka FTW :D

      y, but htere are also reversed implied on ur other outs so yea, IMO u should count jsut those 3 outs or max 4 clean outs and for that u need 16percent whcih is fine then
      As I already said, I domt mind Flop call but u have to know ur clean outs, so u wotn stack off on T:A or smth
    • VzLOM
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      As I already said, I domt mind Flop call but u have to know ur clean outs, so u wotn stack off on T:A or smth

      thats true, thats why i would never make that call oop

      Azbuka FTW

      know some russian words? )
    • THESHade
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      Originally posted by VzLOM
      As I already said, I domt mind Flop call but u have to know ur clean outs, so u wotn stack off on T:A or smth

      thats true, thats why i would never make that call oop
      Yes, thats fine then, u played it well


      Originally posted by VzLOM
      Azbuka FTW

      know some russian words? )
      I do, but I dont know Azbuka :D
    • Kaitz20
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      I think your overcard is not good and if you hit your oeas he can easily c/f river his AK or smt
      So to call turn you also have to bluff on club rivers and maybe some other scare cards, so call is is not terrible, just I don´t expect you get paid too often if you hit your hand and since you´re not drawing to nuts you can be dead against QJ, so even if you hit your hand you can´t really raise river for value