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[NL2-NL10] NL2 SH - KK facing river shove

    • KeKNoRRiS
      KeKNoRRiS
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.10.2007 Posts: 51
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Hand abspielen

      $0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $4.85
      SB:
      $2.32
      BB:
      $2.26
      MP2:
      $4.98
      MP3 (Hero):
      $2.09
      CO:
      $2.17


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K, K.
      MP2 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.10, 3 folds, BB calls $0.08, MP2 calls $0.08.

      Flop: ($0.31) 8, J, 5 (3 players)
      BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.24, BB calls $0.24, MP2 folds.

      Turn: ($0.79) Q (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks.

      River: ($0.79) Q (2 players)
      BB bets $1.92, Hero calls $1.75.

      Final Pot: $4.46.

      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, kings and queens(Kd Ks).
      BB shows three of a kind, queens(Qh Th).

      BB wins with three of a kind, queens(Qh Th).


      Villain is unknown. Really didn't know what to do on the river, in the end, I thought his shove looked weak (no bet on turn) and put him on a missed Flush draw.

      Would you have called?
  • 2 replies
    • SPwoodrose
      SPwoodrose
      Gold
      Joined: 26.01.2010 Posts: 87
      I would have bet the turn. The only draw that got there is 9T (and QJ, Q8 made 2 pair). Other than that we can still get value from all his other draws / Qx / Jx type hands. Especially since he just called the flop and checked to you again on the turn I think we can expect to have the best hand a lot of the time here.

      As played I probably wouldn't call the river. If you have a read that a player is capable of doing this with a busted draw then it's probably OK. Against an unknown I think we see a Q / slowplayed set way too often.
    • MaestroOfZerg
      MaestroOfZerg
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 5,510
      Hi,

      Originally posted by SPwoodrose
      I would have bet the turn. The only draw that got there is 9T (and QJ, Q8 made 2 pair). Other than that we can still get value from all his other draws / Qx / Jx type hands. Especially since he just called the flop and checked to you again on the turn I think we can expect to have the best hand a lot of the time here.

      As played I probably wouldn't call the river. If you have a read that a player is capable of doing this with a busted draw then it's probably OK. Against an unknown I think we see a Q / slowplayed set way too often.
      This. The reason you shouldn't call the river is the exact same reason why you should bet the turn: the Q hits him a lot, giving him lots of worse hands to pay off with on the turn, and lots of better hands to jam into you on the river.


      Hope it helps.