[NL2-NL10] Why you should never limp AA, KK.

    • aciddrop
      aciddrop
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      1)
      Titan No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50/$1.00BB (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

      BB ($24.50)
      UTG+2 ($81.00)
      MP1 ($39.80)
      MP2 ($140.65)
      MP3 ($100.00)
      CO ($153.20)
      Button ($131.60) (Hero)
      SB ($115.15)

      Preflop: Hero is Button with T:heart: , J:heart:
      UTG+2 calls $1.00, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.00, 1 folds, BB checks,

      Flop: Q:spade: , A:diamond: , K:heart: ( $3.5 )
      BB checks, UTG+2 bets $3.00, Hero calls $3.00, 1 folds

      Turn: 5:club: ( $9.5 )
      UTG+2 bets $6.00, Hero raises to $12.00, UTG+2 raises to $12.00, Hero raises to $30.00, UTG+2 raises to $59.00, Hero calls $35.00,

      River: T:spade: ( $163.5 )


      Final Pot: $160.50

      Results:
      UTG+2 has A:club: , A:spade:
      Hero has T:heart: , J:heart:
      Outcome: Hero wins $160.50

      2)
      Titan No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50/$1.00BB (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

      MP1 ($24.40)
      MP2 ($38.05)
      MP3 ($140.65)
      CO ($100.00)
      Button ($30.00)
      SB ($151.20)
      BB ($211.10) (Hero)
      UTG+1 ($114.65)
      UTG+2 ($11.50)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with Q:spade: , 6:club:
      1 folds, UTG+2 calls $1.00, 5 folds, Hero checks,

      Flop: Q:diamond: , 9:heart: , 6:diamond: ( $2.5 )
      Hero bets $2.00, UTG+2 calls $2.00,

      Turn: 5:spade: ( $6.5 )
      Hero bets $4.00, UTG+2 raises All-In $8.5, Hero calls $4.50,

      River: 7:spade: ( $23.5 )


      Final Pot: $22.35

      Results:
      Hero has Q:spade: , 6:club:
      UTG+2 has K:heart: , K:club:
      Outcome: Hero wins $22.35
  • 8 replies
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
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      haha nice hands.

      I agree entirely. There are few situations where you can play it slowly (you have a passive table image in a shorthanded table, few people into the flop) but even so that should mean at least a minbet just to fish out blinds (like you :P ) sitting on very marginal hands (more so hand 2).

      Definitely not on a full table though.
    • aciddrop
      aciddrop
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      Yes, in either case, but absolutely without question hand 2, I would have folded to any action before me.

      Hand 1 was ok with these cards from this position.

      A case of it being better to win just the blinds than lose your whole stack.
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
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      Originally posted by aciddrop
      Yes, in either case, but absolutely without question hand 2, I would have folded to any action before me.
      Given his limp in and overpair with only a flush draw possible, you would fold to action???

      I don't know, hard to say. Then again I'm very rarely faced with this situation so I guess..
    • mchaggis
      mchaggis
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      So, u want me to post some hands why u should never raise AA or KK preflop :)
    • aciddrop
      aciddrop
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      @Chenny
      My point was that both hands would have been folded preflop if the limper had raised his premium hands. He would have won the blinds, and not much else, instead of losing his stack.

      @Mchaggis
      If you have some, lets see 'em. :)
    • Puschkin81
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      Thanks for these examples, aciddrop! :D

      Good luck at the tables!
      Puschkin81
    • heritiKyl
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      Haha, that is brutal. Love the second hand, couldn't have been worse for him too. He was probably sitting around waiting for that hand and desperately wanted action, hence the limp.
    • aciddrop
      aciddrop
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      Yes, I felt sorry for him, briefly. Then, my stone cold heart ;) kicked in, and I laughed, MU HA HA HA!

      Seriously, these two hands came this afternoon, no more than 5 minutes apart. They were such classic examples of why playing this way is an extreme danger.

      My only regret with the second hand is that he didn't have more to give.