All in EV

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Joined: 18.02.2009
Can someone please explain to me what is All in EV. I'm preety sure I know what it means, but can't say for sure. Tnx
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Joined: 18.02.2009
Anyone?
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Joined: 29.06.2010
If u have 74% chance to win at some point and u go allin, 74% of pot belongs to you, but in real you just win 100% of pot or 0% of pot
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Joined: 18.02.2009
So if my winnings are higher then my all in EV I'm being lucky? I'm talking abouth the graph on PT
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Joined: 01.04.2009
Originally posted by prevolsek
So if my winnings are higher then my all in EV I'm being lucky? I'm talking abouth the graph on PT
It just means you are making really good decisions in large pots. Since the EV is only calculated at the point you go all-in it has very little to do with luck.

To put it another way ... any assumption you are attempting to make from that graph is wrong.
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Joined: 18.02.2009
Tnx
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Joined: 31.01.2009
Originally posted by tokyoaces
Originally posted by prevolsek
So if my winnings are higher then my all in EV I'm being lucky? I'm talking abouth the graph on PT
It just means you are making really good decisions in large pots. Since the EV is only calculated at the point you go all-in it has very little to do with luck.

To put it another way ... any assumption you are attempting to make from that graph is wrong.
It does not have anything to do with right/wrong decisions. Even if you are 90% of the times way behind when you go all-in (without having the right equity), you still can run a lot above EV. If you win the hand 15% of the time, you are running above EV, which does not mean that your call was right.

In fact the difference between your EV-line and winnings-line only shows if you have been lucky or unlucky with the cards that still had to come, after you went all-in.
So if your winnings are higher than your all-in EV, you have been lucky after you went all-in.
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Joined: 07.04.2009
I thought I knew what EV is but now I'm confused after this happened:
my hand: 87QQ
opponent: 4486
Flop: 48Q turn 9 river 5

No flush draws. We go all in on flop, I have 89.5% equity, he was short stacked.
I won 38bb and EV shows -8bb

So I got lucky here ????
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Joined: 29.06.2010
Originally posted by dashe
I thought I knew what EV is but now I'm confused after this happened:
my hand: 87QQ
opponent: 4486
Flop: 48Q turn 9 river 5

No flush draws. We go all in on flop, I have 89.5% equity, he was short stacked.
I won 38bb and EV shows -8bb

So I got lucky here ????
It means u have won 8 more blinds than u should win by your equity, but u cant win exactly 30bb because only one player wins at a time. If u play with same equity 10 times, few times u will be "lucky by some blinds" and few times "unlucky by some blinds", so after many games the "average" will be seen on green line too
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Joined: 07.04.2009
understood ! thanks
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Joined: 01.04.2009
So if your winnings are higher than your all-in EV, you have been lucky after you went all-in.
However, most people assume that it shows that they shoulda-coulda-woulda won some money. So they mistakenly believe that they are owed this amount of money in the future.

"Lucky" is not some stat for your tracking software. Leave that for the fish.
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Joined: 16.06.2007
Originally posted by tokyoaces