Hand's reading

    • kiromanAAKK
      kiromanAAKK
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      Hi Guys,
      I wonder if any1 can help me to learn and develop the skill to read hands at the table. Of course, I realize that it is the pandora of poker and obviously I m not so cooked (or at least I hope so) to pretend the right formula to resolve one of the crucial key in poker strategy.
      What Im looking for are instructions on how I may practices, example tips and exercise for training and also if it is possible some directions to articles and related material.
      I would really appreciate any sort of help.
      Thx :heart:
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    • noclaninator
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      Player A is a nit and only raises AA. You are at a 9 handed table with him and he raises. What does he have?

      Of course that one is easy. Say we are up against a player who raises AQ+ TT+ from early position, cbets every flop, and pot controls or folds every turn unless he has two pair or better. He raises under the gun. He can have AQ+ TT+. You call with 77 from BU and the flop comes T64 rainbow. He cbets. He would do this with his entire range so you gain no more information about his hand. You call. Turn is a K and he checks. Now we know he does not have KK or TT since he bets those hands. You bet 2/3 pot and he calls. He can have AA QQ JJ and AK now. AQ folds the turn. Now the river comes K. He fires a halfpot bet. AA QQ and JJ are now eliminated and you know he has to have AK. If the river instead came an A and he checked then you would know he does not have AK or AA anymore. Just QQ or JJ and then you bet river to take down the pot.

      These examples are super simplistic but there is a point. Hand reading <> Jedi powers. It is just deducing a hand or range of possible hands based on betting patterns. That is all.
    • Wriggers
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      Great post above :)

      It's basically just about gaining all the information you can possibly get about an opponent, and using this information to estimate what they have in other hands. When they raise, look at their stats or notes, what do they raise from that position with? So then you have his preflop range. Did he call you 3bet? What does he do that with? What does the flop look like, does it hit a large part of his range? How often does he Cbet, and if you float a dry flop will he fire again on a blank turn or will he only do that with a good made hand?

      You should be thinking these questions every hand you get in to :)
    • kiromanAAKK
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      Hi mate,
      first of all thanks for your attention. I have expressed my self wrong or better I haven't describe clear what I was after.
      I am using Holdem Manager while I am playing online and by the support from the Stats of the HUD, I have a rough idea of what that opponent will hold or an orientation of which type of player he is.
      Now, I wounder if there is a system or a some sort of what ever that we can using while we play live instead of the HUD of Holdem Manager.

      I was refer to the live poker and my apology because I forget to mention this important particular.
      Thx :heart:
    • kiromanAAKK
      kiromanAAKK
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      Also, I would add to what I have already said above about your posts. I am glade I have forgot to specify the live poker because I got now two great posts that I have already copy, paste and print as they come out absolutely very interesting and helpful.
      Thx Guys ;) very much :heart:
    • Wriggers
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      No problem :D

      In terms of live poker you just always have to pay attention to all the opponents betting patterns :) If you're good at reading people as well you can take note of things like how they put their chips in the middle. If they're acting aggressive they could be trying to scare you off. Although there's always the chance they're doing this on purpose as reverse psychology.

      It's best just trying to track their betting patterns in your head like your HUD does, it will be a little more vague but it works in the same way :)
    • dezoe
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      Hi. I have played quite a bit at the local casino over the last couple years. I have a ROI of about 180% at the moment so I'm guessing that I have some skill in live ring games. The most common tell I find in live ring games is the physical nervousness of a person after flopping a big hand. Shaking, sweating or a throbbing neck vein. This usually means a person has a big hand and you should be careful. Another tell I find is immediately checking their chip stack after a flop. This is usually a bad thing. I try to give the illusion that I'm not paying attention to my opponents movements allowing them to give me information without them even knowing it. It really all depends on the type of live game you are playing and the quality of you opponents. I play a game where most of the people are regular Joe Shmoe's just playing a game. Although it involves hundreds of dollars. There is one guy that I can't figure out tho. He is usually drunk, raises pre-flop very often not caring about position in a game of $1/$2 NL, usually ten times the pot, which is about $100 and he does it often. I have been tilted by him a few times and just recently have I had a bit of a better read on him. But it's very hard to tell. You never know if he has bottom pair or the nut straight. I really hate that guy!
    • jass1960
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      Originally posted by dezoe
      There is one guy that I can't figure out tho. He is usually drunk, raises pre-flop very often not caring about position in a game of $1/$2 NL, usually ten times the pot, which is about $100 and he does it often. I have been tilted by him a few times and just recently have I had a bit of a better read on him. But it's very hard to tell. You never know if he has bottom pair or the nut straight. I really hate that guy!
      Don't be nasty,,,,,,, I wasn't drunk just a little tipsy :f_biggrin:
    • dezoe
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      That's true......thanks for the grand last night tho!
    • Vepof
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      Some patterns just get inside ur mind because some players always play the same hands the same way
      Pay attention to everyone at the table, you will notice those patterns, and it can be useful.

      Just don't think that because you identified a correct pattern you will win the hand. Hand reading helps, but in the end, better cards always win.
    • kiromanAAKK
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      Great stuff ;)
      Thanks m8s :heart:
    • MIMIso
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      Depends on what levels you play. Micro live games are so easy to read.

      At my local casino, every time when a guy says:

      -Ok, I will call
      -I will give you some money
      -I have to go home soon, anyway

      they have a huge hand. Even tho it is that obvious, they still do it every time. :D

      Last time I played a hand, holding AA. Flop came 3 5 3, pot was 600 chips. One guy made a 75(?!) bet and I folded asking him to show pocket 55, which he did. :)

      Basically, they bluff with 2x of the pot size bet, and value bet with 10% of the pot. :)