Andrew’s brief, profiting SnG career!

    • whipflip15
      whipflip15
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.11.2006 Posts: 284
      Hello everybody!

      My name is Andrew. I study mathematics at university and enjoy poker as a hobby. I live in Australia and have been playing live poker for about three years now. I have read many books and have had lots of experience. I play at home games and at the local casino. Over the past year I have spent some time learning the art of online poker. I have played at party poker for a year playing both fixed limit and no limit ring games. I played my 5000 hands got my $100 bonus and cash out about $60 up.
      I did not have much success. This was due mainly to the fact that I got bored easily playing tight in ring games at lower limits (even though I played four tables at a time). I am quite used to playing higher limits but am not willing to risk that kind of money online.
      This week I decided to give online poker another shot but this time in the form of Sit n’ Go’s. Still at party poker I never liked the idea of paying a 20% entry fee into a $5 SnG so I started at $11 SnG. I am trying to decide if I should play speed, regular or both. Here are some of my stats so far. I have had to calculate these by hand as I do not have the luxury of and poker software. I played these three tables at a time in one set.

      $11 Speed SnG
      Played 21. Cashed 11.
      2 x first, 3 x second, 6 x third
      ROI = 34%

      $11 Standard SnG
      Played 14. Cashed 8
      4 x first, 3 x second, 1 x third
      ROI = 101%

      Together
      Played 35. Cashed 18
      6 x first, 6 x second, 7 x third
      ROI = 61%

      What is a standard ROI for sit n gos? So far I see standard sng are more profitable but should I wait till I play more before until I decide on which to play? Is there any advice you can give me or comments? If you would like to know more about me or my style of play just ask. Does anybody else find these SnG on PP easy to beat?

      Hope someone reads this and I didn’t waste my time. If you did, thankyou and I hope to hear back from you.

      Thankyou
      Andrew
  • 37 replies
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.10.2007 Posts: 19,324
      Hi! They're not very difficult. you should have a bankroll of ~50buy-ins though for single table SnG just to account for variance (which for partypoker puts you at over 500$ and is a bit steep for lots of people).

      I'd say Standard is better if you are a good player. It's more on play and less on luck (you're forced to make a great deal more moves in Speed).

      I think the current strategies offered on this site for SnG are more suited for speed though so... just up to you.

      Play a couple more, see how you go. That sort of ROI is very impressive though. :)
    • Puschkin81
      Puschkin81
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2006 Posts: 4,786
      Hi whipflip15!

      Nice read! And as already mentioned by chenny8888: an impressive ROI! Please make sure that you have at least a 50 buy-in bankroll. Whether you play speed or normal SnG doesn't matter. The strategy is the same but you reach the push or fold mode way faster in speed tournaments. Whatever you will play:

      Good luck at the tables!
      Puschkin81
    • whipflip15
      whipflip15
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.11.2006 Posts: 284
      Ok so i'm back after some time off for my exams. Over the past few days i hit my first downswing. It was bad beat after bad beat and when i got a hand somebody had a better hand. I lost 16 buy-ins and lost faith in my game. After considering cashing out i decided to give it another two days.

      So in those two days i won 22 buyins and i happy. ROI of 41% and a big smile.
    • Puschkin81
      Puschkin81
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2006 Posts: 4,786
      Well done!

      What's your bankroll and which SNGs are you playing?

      Good luck at the tables!
      Puschkin81
    • Mugge88
      Mugge88
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.10.2006 Posts: 510
      A good ROI is above 25% I would say, but you will need at least around 1k played SNG's to tell what your true ROI is - but looks like you're doing great so far :)

      Best regards,
      Mugge
    • whipflip15
      whipflip15
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.11.2006 Posts: 284
      At the start of the day my banckroll was $920 but i have lost this morning and down to $840.
      I only play $11 (10 players) on partypoker. Did not enjoy my session this morning, it has made me sick :)
    • whipflip15
      whipflip15
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.11.2006 Posts: 284
      Just steaming on here rathter than at the poker tables. Played 10 sng in the past hour and a half.. Did not place in any of them. Is this uncommon because it has never happened to me before. I may post some hands when i get back from work but i dont have time now. So frustrating because i got knocked out on the bubble on 6 of the sng. I will go over my hands and see whether i should have played them differently but now i have to go to work..
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.10.2007 Posts: 19,324
      if you're doing turbo, very uncommon that it hasn't happened to you until now.

      if you're doing normal, still common enough
    • whipflip15
      whipflip15
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.11.2006 Posts: 284
      I play a combination of speed with 5 min blinds and standard with 10 min blinds. Have not tried turbo yet, not to keen on 3 minute level but i will give it a shot now. I'm going to give it another shot now. I'll keep you posted.
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.10.2007 Posts: 19,324
      nah think you misinterpreted me; i don't like turbo- it's a lot less post-flop play for a lot less time. much prefer normal
    • whipflip15
      whipflip15
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.11.2006 Posts: 284
      Wow im really not good at handling these down swings. It seems like it will never end.

      My TexasGrabem doesnt handle converting sng hands very well so il have to post some of my hands different.

      Hand 1..
      No-Limit Hold'em Tournament ($11), Blinds 20/40 (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T:diamond: , T:heart:
      UTG+1 raises to 180, 2 folds, Hero calls $180.00, 5 folds.

      Flop: (420) 2:spade: , 5:diamond: , A:diamond: (2 players)
      UTG+1 bets 400, Hero folds.

      Final Pot: 820

      I have played this guy before and he plays very well. Should i have reraised preflop then folded to a raise?

      Hand 2.
      Total number of players : 5
      Seat 1: p1 ( 1,790 )
      Seat 5: villain ( 3,120 )
      Seat 7: Hero ( 4,700 )
      Seat 8: p3 ( 9,940 )
      Seat 9: p4 ( 450 )
      Blinds(300/600)

      Dealt to whipflip14 [ 4c 4s ]
      3 folds
      villain is all-In [2,820]
      whipflip14 calls [2,520]
      ** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, 8s, 2d ]
      ** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
      ** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]

      Should i have called this? At best i was 50/50 but i had 600 in already.. well he ended up having K4 and beating me but that doesnt matter.

      Hand 3.

      No-Limit Hold'em Tournament ($11), Blinds 200/400 (3 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with Q:diamond: , A:club:
      BU raises to 800, SB folds, Hero raises to 3100, BU calls 2700.

      Flop: (1406) K:diamond: , 2:club: , 4:heart:
      Turn: (1406) 2:heart:
      River: (1406) 8:spade:


      Final Pot: 1406

      Was calling a better option?

      Not sure wether to post this in the samle hand forum or with this so ill just leave it here for now.
    • helemaalnicks
      helemaalnicks
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.09.2007 Posts: 7,195
      Hand 1: stack size is missing. If you had 2000+, good call, otherwise, fold or reraise.

      Hand 2: shouldve folded. 50 50 at best, and because of the payout structure, this call wont pay you off.

      Hand 3: no, good move. 3handed, so already payed, miniraise, all in for fold equity, and for a really good hand in that position. Calling is not a good move because you are out of position.
    • whipflip15
      whipflip15
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.11.2006 Posts: 284
      Ok so i'm back. I cashed out a bit of money to buy some nice things but not much. Here are my stats as of today. It appears that i have a much better ROI on the standard tables but i will still play speed because they are quicker.

      $11 Speed SnG
      Played 104. ITM 42.31%.
      11 x first, 15 x second, 18 x third
      ROI = 18.88%

      $11 Standard SnG
      Played 109. ITM 44.95%
      20 x first, 14 x second, 15 x third
      ROI = 44.95%

      Together
      Played 213. ITM 43.66%
      31 x first, 29 x second, 33 x third
      ROI = 31.46%

      Been thinking about switching from partypoker to full tilt. Does anybody know if the players are better or worse at full tilt sngs?
      Thats it for now i gotta get back to the tables.
    • whipflip15
      whipflip15
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.11.2006 Posts: 284
      I'm not sure whether any body is actually reading this but update it just for kicks!

      Topic 1 -- You might find this amusing

      In Melbourne this weekend we had a exabition called Sexpo which is concerned with everything adult. So i was there with my mates and they had a stage and video cameras set up for a game of strip poker. 7 seated. 3 guys 4 girls.
      So i thought what the hell it might be fun and i could pull out any time without having to take it all off.

      It drew a big crowd ~150 ppl and the tv cameras were in action
      Well the structure was 5 minute levels starting at 1/2 and a starting stack of 7!!!
      Once or chip stack was gone we played with clothes. 1 piece = 1 BB
      First hand i had 75o on the button and it got folded to me. Big blind folded out of turn so i decide to steal off them. I folded until i was ont he button again and blinds were 2/4 so i pushed with 55 and BB called and extra 3 with 24o and got trip 2's. Now my stack was gone!!

      Well the point is i ended up being naked and its gunna b on tv. My mates got photos which r funny as.

      Upside is i got to meat 4 attractive females and get naked with them! + a whole heap of merchandise (poker and adult toys and books/dvds)


      Topic 2 -- MY CARRER

      I have been playing $11 sng on party and built my BR to $1100. I played two $22 sng and got unlucky in both. Played another two and came second and 4th so im sitting on $1072. I think if i get down to $1000 i will drop back down to $11 and wait till i get back up to $1100. Does this sound like a good idea? I try to play the same but im bit more strict with the hand ranges ill push with. It just that 4 tables ends uup being $88 and thats an twelth of my BR. I'll get used to it.


      EDIT: Just started two $22 and one the first and busted out 4th on the other. Had my aces cracked. Maybe i can beat this...
    • snrkskfmf
      snrkskfmf
      Bronze
      Joined: 24.02.2007 Posts: 18
      what does "ROI" stand for?
    • whipflip15
      whipflip15
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.11.2006 Posts: 284
      ROI = Return of investment

      ROI% = ( Profit / (Buyin + Rake ) ) - 1
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.10.2007 Posts: 19,324
      hey very nice progress... i'm moving onto 10+1$ just now... pretty slow going (for now) D:
    • Puschkin81
      Puschkin81
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2006 Posts: 4,786
      Originally posted by whipflip15
      Well the point is i ended up being naked and its gunna b on tv....
      I hope you record it and upload the video so that we can analyze "your game" :D

      Good luck at the tables!
      Puschkin81
    • Yoghi
      Yoghi
      Black
      Joined: 10.09.2007 Posts: 14,387
      Haha nice read. And about your poker, don't try to think of it as money you might lose, but see it as investing 2x what you used to to win 2x what you used to :)

      And to Puschkin: I'm happy I'm not a professional "hand-analyzer"
    • 1
    • 2