Omaha Coaching session on 3rd November

  • Poll Poll ends on 30.09.2010, at 12:06.
    • Decide the topic for the first coaching session

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        Live Beginners Guide for PLO8
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      • 14
        Live PLO Question & Answer Session
        41%
      • 4
        Live Talk about Limit Omaha 8
        12%
      Total: 34 Votes
    • morris979
      morris979
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      Joined: 30.01.2009 Posts: 98
      Beginners question.

      Started off playing micro $10plo 6max on stars and I would like to ask about hand ranges specifically from the blinds. My stats are 25/15 with significantly more play from the CO/BTN over my first 5000 hands or so and I tend to open only strong hands from the first two positions as is generally recommended.

      But what sort of ranges can we play from the SB/BB and how aggressively should we be playing them? Is it better to raise/3bet our stronger hands for initiative or just complete the SB/ check the BB to avoid building too big a pot oop. What would be the minimum requirement for completing the small blind in a multiway limped pot??

      I know everything is dependant on stack size/opponents etc and I can post some specific situations from my HH if you think its a topic worth discussing.
      Thanks, Gary.
    • SvenBe
      SvenBe
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      Joined: 19.04.2006 Posts: 13,473
      he guys, unfortunately but with also one advantage for you Ribbo's coaching will be delayed by one week.
      The advantage for you guys is that you'll be able to prepare even more Questions for following Wednesday's Coaching session "Live PLO Question & Answer"!
    • Ribbo
      Ribbo
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      Joined: 25.06.2010 Posts: 6,157
      BUMP!!!! 2 days to go baby!!! :f_biggrin:
    • Ribbo
      Ribbo
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      Joined: 25.06.2010 Posts: 6,157
      Bored? Read this page! :f_biggrin:

      Some hands to talk about.

      KK66
      AA34 by TwiceT
      KK45ds by TwiceT
      AQJTs
      AT66ds
      Q533 in the BB
      QQJ7s
      Top pair + NFD

      Beginner question asked
    • Kyyberi
      Kyyberi
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      Joined: 09.07.2010 Posts: 10,918
      Can I add one more, from the cold north? :)

      Preflop 3bet is a bit marginal, but all the villains in the table were passive and rather deep. Button was 60/18/0, SB was 88/0/0, UTG and CO were both like 48/7/0.

      Is it good to make a c-bet on the flop, or should I rather check-call or even check-fold if given too much action?

      From by c-bet I don't think there's anything I can do about the hand.

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      PL Omaha $0.10(BB) Replayer
      SB ($17.09)
      Hero ($17.02)
      UTG ($3.15)
      CO ($45.87)
      BTN ($8.03)

      Dealt to Hero K:heart: 6:spade: 9:heart: A:spade:

      fold, CO calls $0.10, BTN raises to $0.30, SB calls $0.20, Hero raises to $1.30, CO calls $1.20, BTN calls $1, SB calls $1

      FLOP ($5.20) 8:heart: J:diamond: 3:heart:

      SB checks, Hero bets $3.90, CO calls $3.90, BTN raises to $6.73 (AI), SB calls $6.73, Hero calls $2.83, CO calls $2.83

      TURN ($32.12) 8:heart: J:diamond: 3:heart: Q:spade:

      SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $32.12, SB calls $9.06 (AI), Hero calls $8.99 (AI)

      RIVER ($59.23) 8:heart: J:diamond: 3:heart: Q:spade: 2:heart:

      CO shows T:diamond: 9:club: T:heart: 4:diamond:
      (Pre 19%, Flop 15.2%, Turn 26.6%)

      BTN shows K:club: T:spade: K:spade: 9:diamond:
      (Pre 26%, Flop 18.8%, Turn 35.9%)

      SB shows 5:diamond: 3:spade: 4:spade: J:club:
      (Pre 27%, Flop 30.5%, Turn 12.5%)

      Hero shows K:heart: 6:spade: 9:heart: A:spade:
      (Pre 27%, Flop 35.4%, Turn 25.0%)

      CO wins $0.14
      Hero wins $57.59
    • Ribbo
      Ribbo
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      Joined: 25.06.2010 Posts: 6,157



      Actually I need more forum posts for tomorrows live coaching!!!!
      Make some posts here and get yourself into the coaching tomorrow. If you bring a headset I may voice you for 10 minutes to ask some questions live!! :f_cool:
    • Kyyberi
      Kyyberi
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      Joined: 09.07.2010 Posts: 10,918
      I would like to hear some opinions how to play against LAG style players. Not maniacs, but LAG's. Both in position and oop.
    • Kyyberi
      Kyyberi
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      Joined: 09.07.2010 Posts: 10,918
      I guess this won't be the "most active thread in 2010". :D
    • Ribbo
      Ribbo
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      Joined: 25.06.2010 Posts: 6,157
      Originally posted by Kyyberi
      I guess this won't be the "most active thread in 2010". :D
      Im guessing not. :f_biggrin:
    • Jim9137
      Jim9137
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      Joined: 13.11.2007 Posts: 5,608
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
      SB ($46.05)
      BB ($57.09)
      Hero ($49.18)
      BTN ($29.94)

      Dealt to Hero T:spade: 3:heart: T:heart: 3:club:

      Hero raises to $0.85, fold, SB calls $0.75, BB raises to $3.40, Hero calls $2.55, SB calls $2.55

      FLOP ($10.20) Q:heart: 9:diamond: T:diamond:

      SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

      TURN ($10.20) Q:heart: 9:diamond: T:diamond: 5:spade:

      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $8.28, SB raises to $18.75, BB folds, Hero raises to $45.78 (AI), SB calls $23.90 (AI)

      RIVER ($95.50) Q:heart: 9:diamond: T:diamond: 5:spade: 2:club:

      SB shows J:spade: 4:club: J:diamond: K:diamond:
      (Pre 67%, Flop 65.0%, Turn 77.5%)

      Hero shows T:spade: 3:heart: T:heart: 3:club:
      (Pre 33%, Flop 35.0%, Turn 22.5%)

      SB wins $93.50


      No reads on SB, played 20/20 and fairly aggressively, 30 hands~. I was surprised about the turn's checkraise, I honestly didn't expect a checkraise there. I put SB on a draw or the nuts + redraws, but I honestly don't think SB ever aims for checkraise there with the bare nuts on such drawy board.


      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Replayer
      SB ($46.45)
      Hero ($52.70)
      UTG ($19.25)
      UTG+1 ($24.15)
      CO ($16.20)
      BTN ($11.25)

      Dealt to Hero 9:diamond: 9:spade: T:club: T:diamond:

      fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.50, CO calls $1.50, fold, SB calls $1.25, Hero calls $1

      FLOP ($6) 3:spade: 8:club: 9:heart:

      SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks

      TURN ($6) 3:spade: 8:club: 9:heart: J:club:

      SB bets $2.95, Hero calls $2.95, UTG+1 calls $2.95, CO calls $2.95

      RIVER ($17.80) 3:spade: 8:club: 9:heart: J:club: 6:spade:

      SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $17.80, CO folds, SB folds, Hero calls $17.80

      Hero shows 9:diamond: 9:spade: T:club: T:diamond:
      (Pre 43%, Flop 86.2%, Turn 80.0%)

      UTG+1 shows 2:club: A:club: J:spade: A:heart:
      (Pre 57%, Flop 13.8%, Turn 20.0%)

      Hero wins $50.75

      Again, no reads. Is the river call fine? I expect him to barrel the flop with JT, and raise the turn with the straight, so the really isn't any straights in his range I don't think. Maybe jacks, but that feels more like a cooler than a bad call to my opinion; also, I think he will bluff the river a lot of times having played like.

      On another note, if SB continued betting, is it a call or a fold? I'm leaning towards fold, but I'd call UTG and CO's bet many times for the above reasons. (Leak leak?)
    • Nivlem
      Nivlem
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      Joined: 28.05.2008 Posts: 4,862
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      PL Omaha $1(BB) Replayer
      SB ($43.70)
      BB ($77.45)
      Hero ($52.20)
      UTG+1 ($161)
      CO ($85.75)
      BTN ($89.50)

      Dealt to Hero 7:club: 6:diamond: 9:club: T:spade:

      Hero raises to $2, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $1.50, BB raises to $8, Hero calls $6, fold

      FLOP ($18) 3:spade: 6:club: J:spade:

      BB bets $18, Hero ????
    • Nivlem
      Nivlem
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      Joined: 28.05.2008 Posts: 4,862
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      PL Omaha $1(BB) Replayer
      SB ($100)
      BB ($209)
      UTG ($95.45)
      UTG+1 ($133)
      CO ($1,191)
      Hero ($40.50)

      Dealt to Hero 5:spade: 6:spade: 7:diamond: 4:diamond:

      UTG raises to $3.50, fold, fold, Hero ???,

      call or 3-bet, that's the question!
    • Jim9137
      Jim9137
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      Joined: 13.11.2007 Posts: 5,608
      On another note, should I be worrying about my non-sd graph in PL50? It's steadily going downwards, especially from the blinds, but I'm not sure if it is very normal (mine's going down at the rate of 6bb/100), as ist seems to kill a lot of my profit.

      I play shortstacked omaha with lots of shortstacks, (40bb buyin), and fairly nitty 20/17/5, though I am hyper aggressive (98.6% aggressive than people in PL50, according to one website). WTsd 27/W@sd 49~.
    • Nivlem
      Nivlem
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      Joined: 28.05.2008 Posts: 4,862
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Replayer
      ($131)
      Hero ($77.55)

      Dealt to Hero 7:diamond: A:heart: 3:diamond: 6:heart:

      Hero raises to $1.50, raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3

      FLOP ($9) 5:club: J:diamond: A:spade:

      bets $8, Hero calls $8

      TURN ($25) 5:club: J:diamond: A:spade: 6:diamond:

      bets $22, Hero raises to $65.05 (AI), calls $43.05
    • Kojika
      Kojika
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      Joined: 11.02.2009 Posts: 4,095
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Replayer
      SB ($50)
      BB ($116)
      Hero ($102)
      CO ($48.50)
      BTN ($60.38)

      Dealt to Hero K:club: Q:spade: K:diamond: T:heart:

      Hero raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, fold, fold

      FLOP ($6) J:heart: 8:heart: 9:spade:

      Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $4, Hero raises to $18, CO folds, BTN calls $14

      TURN ($42) J:heart: 8:heart: 9:spade: K:spade:

      Hero bets $42, BTN folds

      Hero shows K:club: Q:spade: K:diamond: T:heart:

      Hero wins $39.90

      Both players are regulars and are pretty aggro but the BTN likes to take a stab when checked to him (Aggression factor : 4.5)
    • Jim9137
      Jim9137
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      Joined: 13.11.2007 Posts: 5,608
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
      Hero ($58.74)
      BB ($10.70)
      UTG ($67.71)
      UTG+1 ($46.12)
      CO ($32.33)
      BTN ($55.59)

      Dealt to Hero 7:heart: 7:diamond: K:diamond: K:club:

      fold, fold, CO raises to $0.85, BTN calls $0.85, Hero raises to $3.65, fold, CO calls $2.80, BTN calls $2.80

      FLOP ($11.20) 6:diamond: 8:diamond: 9:club:

      Hero bets $9.12, fold, BTN call

      TURN ($29.44) 6 8 9 3

      Hero ???

      No reads this time around (really old hand). Bet/call turn and cry at life? check/raise? Or even check call?

      I have no idea about the flop play. I have a strong hand, I feel, but I don't think I'm going to get action from many hands.
    • Kojika
      Kojika
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      Joined: 11.02.2009 Posts: 4,095
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Replayer
      SB ($65.07)
      BB ($50)
      UTG ($52.29)
      Hero ($50.75)
      CO ($50)
      BTN ($124)

      Dealt to Hero K:diamond: K:spade: 7:spade: 7:heart:

      UTG raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $6, fold, BTN calls $6, fold, fold, UTG calls $4.25

      FLOP ($18.75) Q:heart: 5:club: 3:spade:

      UTG checks, Hero bets $12, BTN folds, UTG raises to $46.29 (AI), Hero calls $32.75 (AI)

      TURN ($108) Q:heart: 5:club: 3:spade: T:heart:

      RIVER ($108) Q:heart: 5:club: 3:spade: T:heart: 7:club:

      Hero shows K:diamond: K:spade: 7:spade: 7:heart:
      (Pre 53%, Flop 31.3%, Turn 20.0%)

      UTG shows Q:spade: 5:heart: A:spade: 8:heart:
      (Pre 47%, Flop 68.7%, Turn 80.0%)

      Hero wins $105


      Again, both players are regulars and very aggro. UTG plays 21/16 and has 6.6 aggression OTF and 33% raise Cbet (over 650 hands).
    • Ribbo
      Ribbo
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      Joined: 25.06.2010 Posts: 6,157
      1 week to go to the next coaching session, make sure you let me know what you all want :)
    • semmel81
      semmel81
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      Joined: 18.01.2007 Posts: 6,727
      1st time followed. good explanations on the picked hands; good clean english - also good for me as member from the german forum.

      cu again
    • MP89EST
      MP89EST
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      Joined: 30.03.2008 Posts: 385
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Replayer
      SB ($5.40)
      BB ($25)
      Hero ($45.87)
      CO ($16.98)
      BTN ($28.38)

      Dealt to Hero K:heart: T:spade: 3:club: A:heart:

      Hero raises to $0.87, fold, fold, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.62

      FLOP ($2.61) 8:heart: 3:diamond: 4:heart:

      SB checks, BB bets $2.61, Hero calls $2.61, SB folds

      TURN ($7.83) 8:heart: 3:diamond: 4:heart: T:club:

      BB bets $7.83, Hero raises to $31.32, BB calls $13.69 (AI)

      RIVER ($50.87) 8:heart: 3:diamond: 4:heart: T:club: J:spade:

      Villain seems a bad player he had been limping preflop crap on the BTN and Co. His stats were 35/10 with 1.5 aggresion. Over 150 hands.
      I have played previously 1 hand against the villain were he pot/called down in limped pot with his BTM set/Rivered underboat on superwet board against my top set/nut boat.