[NL2-NL10] Should i call turn shove with KK?

    • AANutz83
      AANutz83
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      Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 955806
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      UTG: $7.89
      Hero (CO): $9.72
      BTN: $7.04
      SB: $7.61
      BB: $2.00

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with K :club: K :spade:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.90) 8 :diamond: 9 :spade: K :diamond: (3 players)
      SB bets $0.40, BB calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

      Turn: ($2.10) Q :heart: (3 players)
      SB bets $6.91 all in, BB folds, Hero calls $6.91

      River: ($15.92) 6 :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)
  • 6 replies
    • AlCaTrAzzALZ
      AlCaTrAzzALZ
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      Joined: 06.05.2008 Posts: 726
      yes


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    • AANutz83
      AANutz83
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      Could you give me a little more info if that's ok. I appreciate it might seem like a stupid question to somone more experienced.

      Given the nature of the oversize turn bet what hands that i have beat could i reasonably expect my opponent to have?

      Any help much appreciated
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
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      Hi,

      You play BSS so you should post in the BSS forum instead of the SSS forum ;)

      Anyway:
      Preflop: ok
      flop: I would raise here for sure. You should never slowplay your set here on this drawheavy board against 2 opponents. Raise to $2 and if they re-raise you, you go all in. IMO

      Turn: The only cards that beat you are JT and you still have FH or quads outs. So I would still call here as he could even shove lower sets as well.

      T.
    • AANutz83
      AANutz83
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      thanks for the feedback, much appreciated
    • AlCaTrAzzALZ
      AlCaTrAzzALZ
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      as T said, his range here for the overshove isn't limited to just JT, he could be doing it with any set, with KQ, KJ, AA... even if we assume he just has JT, we have FH/quad outs, and if we actually equilate it with his entire range...


      47,664,086 games 21.992 secs 2,167,337 games/sec

      Board: Kd 8d 9s Qh
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 65.257% 65.28% 00.00% 31117475 0.00 { KcKs }
      Hand 1: 34.743% 34.76% 00.00% 16567322 0.00 { AA, QQ, 99-88, KJs+, JTs, KJo+, JTo }



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      or, just against sets and JT


      Board: Kd 8d 9s Qh
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 49.716% 49.72% 00.00% 5743598 0.00 { KcKs }
      Hand 1: 50.284% 50.29% 00.00% 5809142 0.00 { QQ, 99-88, JTs, JTo }



      i apologise for my short answer earlier, the problem with posting hands like this one, is you wouldn't have posted it if he didn't have the one single hand that had you beat... so it's very easy for me to look at the hand and say that a call with KK there is correct ;)

      nh wp ;)
    • burek2000
      burek2000
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      Hey AANutz83,

      As stated before, please post hands with close to 100 big blinds in BSS forum, because that's the right forum for them and also judges over there have more experiences with bigger stacks.

      On the flop you have a very strong hand, but the board is very drawy and your hand is still vulnerable with so many draws out there, so I would just raise the hand right there in order to protect and to get value from draws/worse hands.

      Also as stated and explained before, you have to go broke on the turn as played. Thanks, Al and T!

      Regards,
      burek2000