[NL2-NL10] can he fold to a river bluff?

    • happyteerak
      Joined: 02.08.2010 Posts: 65
      $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
      9 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      UTG Player4 ($7)
      UTG+1 Player5 ($4)
      MP1 Player6 ($6.08)
      MP2 Player7 ($10.84)
      MP3 Player8 ($6.49)
      CO Player9 ($12.03)
      BTN Player1 ($3.40)
      SB Hero ($21.03)
      BB Player3 ($17.67)

      Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 9 players) Hero is SB A:heart: 9:heart:
      Player4 raises to $0.30, 3 folds, Player8 calls $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold

      Flop: 2:spade: J:diamond: 9:diamond: ($1, 3 players)
      Hero checks, Player4 bets $0.46, Player8 calls $0.46, Hero calls $0.46

      Turn: 6:heart: ($2.38, 3 players)
      Hero checks, Player4 bets $0.10, Player8 raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1.80, Player4 folds, Player8 calls $1.30

      River: 5:diamond: ($6.08, 2 players)
      Hero checks, Player8 checks

      Final Pot: $6.08
      Hero shows
      A:heart: 9:heart:
      Player8 shows
      K:spade: J:heart:

      Player8 wins $5.79 (net +$3.23)

      Hero lost $2.56
      Player4 lost $0.86
  • 4 replies
    • MaestroOfZerg
      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 5,510

      Fold the flop, even if you're ahead right now you don't know what they're going to do on later streets it's often going to be a pain to get 2PTK to showdown 3way on a wet board.

      As played unless you soul-read both of them for a draw I don't really get your turn raise, just give it up and stop putting yourself in those awful spots by calling way too light with crappy pairs in multiway pots.

      Hope it helps.
    • Gerv
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Fish (<80bb stacks) cannot fold TopPairs so do not waste your money by trying to let them fold TopPair as you wanted to do here.

      Pre is close but OK. Flop is in my opinion a clear fold because the Ace is a scare card and then you only have 2 clean nines for the win which equilates as having pocket 2s on a AQ4r board
    • yeahyoung0312
      Joined: 16.12.2009 Posts: 340
      You shouldn't bluff a 3-way pot on that turn to begin with. If it is a semi-bluff with a FD then fine but you only had a mid pair.

      Back to your question, yes you will create a lot of folding equity with a river bluff, as he flat your turn raise which means he had a mediocre hand. Even a fish might consider folding there on a 3-flush board.

      However most plrs, like you, just stop bluffing there and let the big pot go away instead of emptying their clips.
    • MaestroOfZerg
      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 5,510

      Villain had a strong enough hand to consider raising the turn. He's bad enough that he's never folding Jx, the flushdraws got there and you beat everything else made-hand wise, so I have no idea what you want to bluff out by betting the river.