Rank poker games in order of skill required to be a successful winning player

    • Giova86
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      Hello everyone,

      I would like to focus in depth on a few specific games, and ask you to rank these games in order of skill required to be a successful winning player, with a brief explanation why:

      Razz- 8 handed
      HU PL Omaha
      HU NL Hold’em
      NL 6 Max
      7 Stud 8 handed
      Limit Hold’em 10 handed
      2-7 NL Single Draw 6 handed
      Stud H/L 8 handed
      NL Omaha H/L 9 Handed

      Your opinion is very much appreciated (even if you would like to compare just due or three of these games).

      thanks
      Gio
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    • Leito99
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      if i was you i would stick to the popular NL games or PLO and stay away from games like draw and razz because those could die any day now

      NL HU is one the hardest variants imo so quite a lot of skill required

      NL 6 max would be my choice
    • elhh82
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      define successful
    • Yoghi
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      Define skill
    • Hahaownedlolz
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      define winning
    • andreibalint
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      define poker.

      Lol. Well all poker games share a mathematic background. That means you need comparatively about the same skill or whatever. However some have something extra.

      What you're asking is incredibly hard to answer and the question is way to vague.

      I'm not going to squeeze my brain for an answer but rather let you figure it out. What you need to know is this: the more information a game reveals the easier it is. The less information it reveals the more complex it gets and you need more "skill for it".

      For example Razz is pretty simple since you know a lot about your opponent, especially at the beggining, while Omaha is not since you have less information about your opponent, 5 card draw is even harder because you know even less (in Omaha at least you know 3 of his cards from the board).

      Hold'em is right in the middle, easy enough but with enough room for skill, that's why it's so popular.
    • conall88
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      define defining :D

      sry had to lol. interesting thread, will read later when its populated a bit more.
    • Jackalof
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      Skill in Omaha VS Skill in Hold'em. How do you measure those?

      Please die in a muscle fire.
    • PocketAcesJohn
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      Rank which £1 coin is worth more:

      A shiney one,
      A dirty one,
      A smelly one,
      A dented one.


      Diffrent varriants require diffrent skills. Just because your bad at one good at another, doesnt mean you have to be more or less skillfull. A good FR player may never be a good HU player and vice versa.

      I agree with what somone else said though, forget about the old school games, stick to hold'em and/or omaha.
    • Chenghao
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      Originally posted by Giova86
      Hello everyone,

      I would like to focus in depth on a few specific games, and ask you to rank these games in order of skill required to be a successful winning player, with a brief explanation why:

      Razz- 8 handed
      HU PL Omaha
      HU NL Hold’em
      NL 6 Max
      7 Stud 8 handed
      Limit Hold’em 10 handed
      2-7 NL Single Draw 6 handed
      Stud H/L 8 handed
      NL Omaha H/L 9 Handed

      Your opinion is very much appreciated (even if you would like to compare just due or three of these games).

      thanks
      Gio
      my definition : to be a successful winning player so to play a game where you profit at the expense of other people's mistakes.

      Games where they have the most room to make the non optimum choice

      so some games you might make the best decisions and be the best player , but if no one else plays them , then there is no one for you to exploit.

      not many people plays the games beyond HE / omaha and in huge volumes.

      So any comparison would really be what we think and not what is
    • gedwashere91
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      Very disappointed nobody has said "MY FAVORITE VARIANT!!" yet. Given this lack of trolling skillz I would just like to say:

      NLHE 9-man SnG skill > everything!!!!!!!!!!!

      trolololololololololololololololol
    • andreibalint
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      Sngs are pretty easy to play once u know the theory well and practice icm. Combine that with high rake and you get a game that's almost unbeatable at high stakes. Problem with them is that you can play optimally, i don't think cash games have something like it. But sng bubble factors are rather hard to learn...
    • Giova86
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      Thank you very much for your replies.

      I would like to know your opinion about wich games I can easily gain an edge over competition and which not.

      Am I right saying that you can obtain a bigger edge in these games:

      HU PL Omaha
      NL Omaha H/L 9 Handed

      then in these:

      HU NL Hold’em
      NL 6 Max
      Limit Hold’em 10 handed

      and in these (the most predictable as you can see many cards)?:

      Razz- 8 handed
      7 Stud 8 handed
      2-7 NL Single Draw 6 handed
      Stud H/L 8 handed

      Do you guys think HU are easier to master then 9-handed games, or viceversa?

      any help appreciated!!!
      thanks
    • ihufa
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    • Hahaownedlolz
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      Define master.





      But seriously though..

      HU is in my opinion alot more difficult to master. Fixed Limit by the way is 100% math. I can't really tell you about other variants then No limit holdem. But holdem is the most popular and has the most good player from my personal experience.


      So imo NL Holdem and Omaha are the hardest to beat probably.. the other variants are alot less popular so less skilled players.. But i haven't played anything other then NL holdem seriously so i can't really tell. But i'd agree that there is easier money in Omaha then in Hold'em if your skill in both those games is equal.

      (note that i don't really have much knowledge about the other games.. So i can't really give good advice on this subject.. But this is mostly general stuff)
    • taavi1337
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      Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
      Fixed Limit by the way is 100% math.
      Thanks, didn't know this. I have played FL for 15 months, now I have to learn everything from the beginning again.
    • Hahaownedlolz
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      Originally posted by taavi1337
      Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
      Fixed Limit by the way is 100% math.
      Thanks, didn't know this. I have played FL for 15 months, now I have to learn everything from the beginning again.
      [ ] Attempt to be funny succeeded.
    • ihufa
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      Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
      Originally posted by taavi1337
      Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
      Fixed Limit by the way is 100% math.
      Thanks, didn't know this. I have played FL for 15 months, now I have to learn everything from the beginning again.
      [ ] Attempt to be funny succeeded.
      [x] Attempt to be smart failed
    • Hahaownedlolz
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      Originally posted by ihufa
      Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
      Originally posted by taavi1337
      Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
      Fixed Limit by the way is 100% math.
      Thanks, didn't know this. I have played FL for 15 months, now I have to learn everything from the beginning again.
      [ ] Attempt to be funny succeeded.
      [x] Attempt to be smart failed
      [ ] Attempt to be funny succeeded.
      [X] Attempt to be an ass succeeded.



      edit: And yeah i'm not going to edit my post cause quite frankly i don't give a shit. Stop nitpicking every little thing you know what i meant.
    • delete461
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      define nitpicking
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