Afrika1988 said:
what do you think about check/calling the river with your set 66. no worse hand calls that shove. so i would try to catch a bluff there.
In reference to this hand:
***** Hand History for Game 48385273582 ***** (Poker Stars)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, August 19, 03:59:31 ET 2010
Table Erinome (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: ppes ( $101.50 USD )
Seat 2: welle85 ( $101.50 USD )
Seat 3: skolsuper ( $142.15 USD )
Seat 4: SredniV ( $103.20 USD )
Seat 5: lada090 ( $89.40 USD )
Seat 6: LouisNapSack ( $266.70 USD )
skolsuper posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
SredniV posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to skolsuper [ 6c 6s ]
lada090 folds
LouisNapSack folds
ppes raises [$4.00 USD]
welle85 folds
skolsuper calls [$3.50 USD]
SredniV folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, 6h, 7c ]
skolsuper checks
ppes bets [$5.00 USD]
skolsuper calls [$5.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
skolsuper checks
ppes bets [$14.00 USD]
skolsuper raises [$36.00 USD]
ppes calls [$22.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Th ]
skolsuper bets [$97.15 USD]
ppes folds
skolsuper wins $97.15 USD
skolsuper wins $88.00 USD from main pot
Firstly thanks for commenting, I appreciate the feedback, it's good to know somebody's watching
. I watched the vid back yesterday and I am surprised I didn't talk more about this river shove as it is quite an interesting spot. I agree with Supeyrio's comment on the hand that I don't like check-calling the river to bluff-catch, our opponent must have had something to call the turn with and I think it's unlikely that he will turn a good made hand into a bluff on the river when he mostly wins by checking back anyway, so I think if I were to check the river I ought to be check-folding.
Then the decision is which is better between check-folding or shoving the river. I think I win the majority of the time either way, when I check the river it mostly goes check-check, but as supeyrio says the river shove works as a merge in that it gives our opponent two ways to make a mistake, by folding a better hand (a higher set) or by hero-calling with worse, whereas checking allows our opponent to play pretty much perfectly (shove better, check worse). However, I think both mistakes will be very rare*. It comes down to the relative rarity of these possibilities compared to how often our opponent has an 8. The fact that he 4x's preflop is the only thing to rule out most 8s from his range, however I think 78 89 A8s and pocket 8s are all very real possibilities (opponent has 28% CO steal) and therefore I don't really like my shove. I think it was mostly born from stubbornness that I recognised that I would have to check-fold and I did not want to be forced to fold a set.
*I think any better hands that aren't a straight would probably shove the turn with the exception of pocket tens, and any worse hands would see the 4-straight on board and be very unlikely to make a hero-call.
NB: Most of the time when you're check-folding something as strong as a set on the river you have to look at the rest of the hand to see if you played it too face up, but in this case I think I played the rest of the hand fine, just the ten is such a dirty river card I really have no other option
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