[NL20-NL50] NLSH20 : JJ facing lots of actions

    • Chenghao
      Chenghao
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      Cassava Poker $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 965108
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      Hero (SB): $20.00
      BB: $64.12
      UTG: $20.00
      MP: $45.35
      CO: $20.30
      BTN: $37.37

      Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is SB with J :spade: J :heart:
      UTG raises to $0.70, MP raises to $1.20, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.50, 1 fold, UTG raises to $10.70, MP calls $9.50, Hero raises to $20, UTG calls $9.30, MP calls $9.30

      Flop: ($60.20) 4 :heart: 7 :diamond: T :spade: (3 players)

      Turn: ($60.20) 4 :club: (3 players)

      River: ($60.20) 6 :diamond: (3 players)

      UTG is 24/21/12 in full ring for this limit , first encounter at 6max
      MP is maniac

      facing a UTG raise , from a TAG , then the maniac raises , should i be set mining with JJ , throw it away ? or 4bet/fold or 4bet/call

      a TAG's UTG raising range would probably look like TT+ , AK



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      Board:
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 43.229% 41.86% 01.37% 29385068 963410.00 { JhJs }
      Hand 1: 56.771% 55.40% 01.37% 38892576 963410.00 { TT+, AKs, AKo }


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      so what should i do on the flop ?

      call/ fold to a 4bet ? to set mine

      4bet/ call a 4bet ( to isolate the maniac ?)

      4bet / fold to a 5bet ? ( i am crushed by TAG's UTG range ?)
  • 6 replies
    • AninIII
      AninIII
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      Hi,

      I'd just call MP 1,20$ Min3-bet to setmine.
      As played: You show a lot of strength by cold4-betting UTG and a potential fish AND you are getting min5-betted by UTG....
      Do I have to write more?
      You are simply crushed by KK or AA almost always.
      Maniac could have anything.

      What did both villains have?

      Best regards,
      Anin
    • Chenghao
      Chenghao
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      Originally posted by AninIII
      Hi,

      I'd just call MP 1,20$ Min3-bet to setmine.
      As played: You show a lot of strength by cold4-betting UTG and a potential fish AND you are getting min5-betted by UTG....
      Do I have to write more?
      You are simply crushed by KK or AA almost always.
      Maniac could have anything.

      What did both villains have?

      Best regards,
      Anin
      hm ok guess even if i flop overs with JJ , i won't go broke with it i guess for this case.

      UTG had 52o
      MP had QQ
    • AninIII
      AninIII
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      Originally posted by Chenghao
      UTG had 52o
      MP had QQ
      You r kidding?
      You mean UTG had QQ and MP 52o? ;-)
      Otherwise your description/reads before were wrong and UTG was the maniac... ;-)
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      since mainac would likely would call with anything I think I still like 4-bet. YOu can then consider folding to 5-bet, since not really sure that UTG would play AK that way- I thin a lot of times he should call or shove pf because all the dead money in the pot and would only 5-bet with QQ+, so fold can´t be that bad. Although with JJ I think shove is also fine. He may be tilted with MP min-raising and decides to go all the way with TT
    • Chenghao
      Chenghao
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      Originally posted by AninIII
      Originally posted by Chenghao
      UTG had 52o
      MP had QQ
      You r kidding?
      You mean UTG had QQ and MP 52o? ;-)
      Otherwise your description/reads before were wrong and UTG was the maniac... ;-)
      yea sorry you are right , UTG had QQ and MP 52o


      i think i will still 4 bet in most cases , but when UTG min 5 bets , and MP calls the 5 bet , it costs me $5+ to win 26 in there , even if i am up against aces i still priced to make the call ? can i leave the pot with so much dead money in there ?

      or should i 3bet less in the future ?(
    • Kaitz20
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      I think you should choose 4-bet amount when you know exactly what to do when you get 5-bet or shoved. So you can make it smaller like 3.5$ although 4.5$ is also fine
      I think calling min-raise is fine if you´re planning c/f any flop including 224 when you don´t hit your set