[NL20-NL50] NL50: TT overpair on a montone flop

    • rjacobs003
      rjacobs003
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      Joined: 07.01.2008 Posts: 45
      No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      Hero (UTG) ($51.25)
      MP ($147.38)
      CO ($55.83)
      Button ($50)
      SB ($68.25)
      BB ($31.93)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10, 10
      Hero bets $1.75, 1 fold, CO calls $1.75, 3 folds

      Flop: ($4.25) 5, 2, 4 (2 players)
      Hero bets $4, CO calls $4

      Turn: ($12.25) 4 (2 players)
      Hero bets $11.50, CO raises $50.08 (All-In), Hero ???


      I'd not been at the table long so CO was pretty much an unknown at that stage. By session end I had 93 hands on him and he was playing 17/14/2.5 with a 9% 3-bet %. Appreciate all views.
  • 4 replies
    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
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      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      Tough spot. It doesn't really makes sense to shove the turn if he did make a boat, but then again you don't beat a lot either. He probably doesn't have Ax with a flush draw since he'd be shoving that on the flop, not on the turn when the board pairs.

      That leaves out 4x with something like 34 or A4 or flopped flush which still has you crushed on the turn. And i dont really think he'd be shoving worse overpair here so imo its a fold. Only thing your beating is a bluff.
    • rjacobs003
      rjacobs003
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      Joined: 07.01.2008 Posts: 45
      Yes I definitely remember thinking that the nut flush draw is making a move on the flop here and not waiting for the turn. For interest, do we then snap the shove on the flop? Similarly baby flushes are also making a play on the flop methinks.
    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
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      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      Well the problem is even if he has something like AJ with a spade you only have 43% equity against his flushdraw, 2 overcards and a gutshot. He also has some suited aces and sets that has you beat and you will rarely see him doing something crazy with smaller overpair so i think i'd just fold it, since best you can hope for is a flip or he has you beat.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      I won´t really bet that big on the flop and turn, but when you see shove on the turn then I think it is often some kind of flush, 4x or maybe even boat thinking that you´re not folding to his turn shove
      Either way a lot of times you´re crushed there so b/f turn is better option than b/c