[NL20-NL50] NLSH30 : 67s on 357d facing a flop raise

    • Chenghao
      Chenghao
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      Joined: 04.10.2009 Posts: 274
      Cassava Poker $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 973258
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      SB: $18.70
      BB: $30.00
      UTG: $31.24
      Hero (MP): $41.34
      CO: $24.10
      BTN: $42.19

      Pre Flop: ($0.45) Hero is MP with 6 :diamond: 7 :diamond:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $1.05, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.05, 2 folds

      Flop: ($2.55) 3 :diamond: 7 :club: 5 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.91, BTN raises to $5.94, Hero calls $4.03

      Turn: ($14.43) 5 :spade: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $10, Hero calls $10

      River: ($34.43) T :club: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $25.20, Hero folds

      should i 3bet flop with intentions to ship it ?

      i had many outs even vs a hand like AA , any diamond , another 6 or 7 , gutshot 4

      of course on the turn , the 3 "6" outs would be counterfeited
  • 6 replies
    • Tim64
      Tim64
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      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      should i 3bet flop with intentions to ship it ?


      imo, yes.

      You have a clear eQuity edge over AA/KK etc. Even worst case scenario vs a set you have 40% eQuity, so I think getting it in on the flop is the best bet. By far the easiest way to play this, esp as you are out of position.
    • DecMate
      DecMate
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      Joined: 25.01.2009 Posts: 939
      If not all in on the flop, you could check raise all in on the turn which looks monster strong.
    • Chenghao
      Chenghao
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      Joined: 04.10.2009 Posts: 274
      vs overs , 88+

      Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

      41,580 games 0.001 secs 41,580,000 games/sec

      Board: 3d 5d 7c
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 56.349% 55.96% 00.39% 23268 162.00 { 7d6d }
      Hand 1: 43.651% 43.26% 00.39% 17988 162.00 { 88+ }


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      vs 22+

      63,360 games 0.001 secs 63,360,000 games/sec

      Board: 3d 5d 7c
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 62.678% 62.05% 00.63% 39312 400.50 { 7d6d }
      Hand 1: 37.322% 36.69% 00.63% 23247 400.50 { 22+ }


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      18,810 games 0.005 secs 3,762,000 games/sec

      Hands that beat me

      Board: 3d 5d 7c
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 50.343% 49.89% 00.45% 9384 85.50 { 7d6d }
      Hand 1: 49.657% 49.20% 00.45% 9255 85.50 { KK+, 77, 55, 33 }


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      11,880 games 0.001 secs 11,880,000 games/sec


      vs Kings +

      Board: 3d 5d 7c
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 56.818% 56.36% 00.45% 6696 54.00 { 7d6d }
      Hand 1: 43.182% 42.73% 00.45% 5076 54.00 { KK+ }


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      Seems like no matter what i am against on the flop , my equity seems to be > 50 %

      unless i know hw will make that play with set and set only , which i happen to be only 40 % vs 60 % , A 2 - 3 dog
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      He has to raise you there with bluffs, A high flushdraws and sometimes with overpairs that he would fold to 3-bet to make your flop 3-bet profitable. i think you can play there for stacks, but if he is not bluffing there enough then I would also played hand the same way as you did.
    • Chenghao
      Chenghao
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      Joined: 04.10.2009 Posts: 274
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      He has to raise you there with bluffs, A high flushdraws and sometimes with overpairs that he would fold to 3-bet to make your flop 3-bet profitable. i think you can play there for stacks, but if he is not bluffing there enough then I would also played hand the same way as you did.
      guess without reads , i would play this way again , with reads that his there with more bluffs in his range , i would push for Folding equity and pot equity.

      if say he has something that would probably beat me , i would play this same way.

      cos i probably change how i play based on how aggressive and how frequently he bets with air ?
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      if he has there air I doubt he is 3-barreling you so you can fold river or if you think he is really messing around too often then calling down is also one option :)