[NL20-NL50] C/R flop with TPTK 3 way pot

    • Dublimax
      Dublimax
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      iPoker - €0.50 NL - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      SB: €77.19
      Hero (BB): €48.25
      UTG: €63.43
      MP: €53.07 VP:16(MP:16)/PR:13(MP:15)/AFq:37/CBet :60%/Fold to 3B 80%(MP:69%)/4B:7%(MP:15%[only 13 hands])/ over 6k hands
      CO: €85.00 VP:39/PR:26/AFq:42/Fold to 3B:85%(LP:94%) over 1k hands
      BTN: €81.25

      SB posts SB €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50

      Pre Flop: (€0.75) Hero has A:spade: Q:diamond:

      fold, MP raises to €1.75, CO calls €1.75, fold, fold, Hero calls €1.25

      Flop: (€5.50, 3 players) A:club: 3:diamond: 9:club:
      Hero checks, MP bets €3.50, CO calls €3.50, Hero raises to €12.00, fold, fold

      squeeze spot?
      I usually dont squeze or 3B tight UTG aggrerssor.
      If I dont squezze doest it make sense to C/R this board? If not how should I play?
  • 6 replies
    • JoaoMartins
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      Again, stats!=)

      Without MP's position specific PFR and MP and CO's fold to 3-bet stat we are pretty much guessing here. And guessing, based on the average stats we find on NL50, you shouldn't 3-bet in this spot, and play the hand keeping the fish in the pot, with position on both of them.


      On the turn, it sucks that there is a Flush Draw, but if we raise we isolate ourselves against better holdings. I would call the flop, and hope that MP doesn't second barrel so we can grab the initiative, and profit vs CO "I'm never folding my second pair/FD before the river EVAR" atittude.
    • AninIII
      AninIII
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      Hi,

      the title is wrong. You only have TP 2nd best kicker.
      Preflop is squeeze slightly better because of oop.
      But flat is fine against tight openraiser from time to time as well.
      On flop you turn your hand into bluff because your c/sqz looks so strong.
      If you are getting shoved you have to fold I guess.
      Donk/f is out of question, too.
      And ch/c is bad a many scarecards can fall on turn.
      => Sqz/fold pre.

      Best regards,
      Anin
    • Dublimax
      Dublimax
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      I have updated the stats.
      most important one is MP Fold to 3B from MP 69%.

      Still good squeeze preflop?
    • JoaoMartins
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      I think you shouldn't squeeze because the fish will fold out almost all of his holdings when you 3-bet, even though you will get the MP to fold most of the time, you won't play with the fish if you do so.
    • Dublimax
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      Originally posted by JoaoMartins
      I think you shouldn't squeeze because the fish will fold out almost all of his holdings when you 3-bet, even though you will get the MP to fold most of the time, you won't play with the fish if you do so.
      If both of them fold I am happy enough to take the pot down.
    • Kaitz20
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      against 16/13 likely not the best spot to squeeze, but if you´re happy folding to 4-bet then sure, go wild. AQ is strong enough hand for that
      I would likely lead that flop and go 3 streets for value or if there comes so scary cards then maybe c/c or c/f
      Flop c/r is not bad, just very hard worse hands to call so I think if you check then c/c is better and then either leading flop or maybe check again to see what they are doing