[NL2-NL10] Should I be thinking too much about these kinds of hands?

    • Dexstar
      Dexstar
      Bronze
      Joined: 13.11.2009 Posts: 5
      I read an article on 2+2 or in Poker player that said that players spend too much time thinking about situations where both the hero's and villian's hands were big and all the money was going to go into the pot anyway (Cooler situations) however I'm going to post the hands that caught my eye today and feel I need feedback on, however, feel free to let me know if im wasting my time evaluating such hands. Thanks.

      Dex

      1st Hand

      Villain - in this hand is a fishy loose passive, massively losing player.


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      MP2:
      $13.28
      Hero:
      $2.07
      CO:
      $4.49

      0.02/0.04 No-Limit Hold'em (7 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K:club: , J:heart:
      MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.12, CO calls $0.12, 3 folds, MP2 calls $0.08.

      Flop: ($0.42) 6:spade: , J:club: , J:diamond: (3 players)
      MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.20, CO calls $0.20, MP2 folds.

      Turn: ($0.82) Q:spade: (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO checks.

      River: ($0.82) 9:club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.39, CO raises to $1.95, Hero calls $1.36 (All-In).

      Final Pot: $4.52

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows three of a kind, jacks (Kc Jh)
      CO shows a full-house, queens full of jacks (Qd Qh)

      CO wins with a full-house, queens full of jacks (Qd Qh)


      Someone DUCY me.


      2nd hand


      This next hand is against a loose passive player Pre and post flop.


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $1.90
      BB:
      $2.71
      MP3:
      $3.92

      0.05/0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.69 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A:heart: , 9:spade:
      3 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.05, BB checks.

      Flop: ($0.30) 8:spade: , J:diamond: , 7:diamond: (3 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 checks.

      Turn: ($0.30) 9:club: (3 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, BB folds.

      River: ($0.50) 9:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.10, MP3 raises to $3.72 (All-In), Hero folds.

      Final Pot: $4.32


      I feel that because he massively over bet the pot he was attempting to make it seem as though he was bluffing, I was not aggressive enough on the turn but I had a feeling someone was slow playing top pair top kicker and this was the kind of guy who would also be passive with trips. It was difficult to lay down but no massive loss. Im just wondering whether such a donk bet should have been called.

      Thanks for your time.
      Dex
  • 3 replies
    • OnkelHotte
      OnkelHotte
      Black
      Joined: 16.01.2005 Posts: 18,432
      Hi Dexstar,

      glad you found your way into our forums
      Please note that we have boards dedicated for hand evalutions.
      Professional hand judges will give you advice there. I have moved the thread to the according forum.

      The feedback forum is not supposed for hand evaluations but for any feedback about the service level or any suggestions for improvement etc.

      Looking forward to further hand evaluations threads from you!:)

      Best regards,
      Tobias

      Regarding your hands:

      1) This IS a cooler where you have no choice but put your stack in.
      Simply bet 1/2 pot on the turn and push the river. Questions: Why do you play with around 50 BB. Is this on purpose?

      2) I think your play is really valid here. For 4 to 1 odds I think you can try catching a bluff. Thus B/Fold Rive or C/F River are both viable options.

      However, there is still nothing wrong with just C/F the turn. The Problem is that you can be drawing dead and that is nothing you want:)
    • Gerv
      Gerv
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Hi Dexstar,

      As OnkelHotte pointed out I agree on the statements on both hands.

      highlighting hand 2 which is in my opinion more interesting:
      You can fold the Turn because there are stronger hands than Toppair or an improvement to Trips/2pair. Those are Straights and if a 3rd hits on the River: Flushes.

      Hence since you do not have the iniative when you check/call and are out of position, check folding the Turn is a serious viable option.

      On the other hand getting the odds to effectively bluffcatch is an option but since you are playing the ShortStack Strategy, I think it is far more wise to just check/fold in this spot

      Best regards,

      Gerv
    • Dexstar
      Dexstar
      Bronze
      Joined: 13.11.2009 Posts: 5
      Thank you for your insight guys.