It all started with $50

    • rechinuU
      rechinuU
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 38
      Hello everybody, I am new to this site and I intend to transform 50$ a 4 digit number.

      First of all, I play poker for about 5 years but the time kept me away from playing online. I played at FT with relatively good results at 25NL but for a short period.

      I have tried calculators but they are awful, I mean they keep messing me than helping me. It's easy to observe my outs and which cards can make my hand better, or which hand can help my cbet getting more stronger even though it's iar.
      I still haven't used any trackers.

      I don't have a type of play. I mean, if the table is loose I'm tight like a virgin and if the loose I'm TAG all the way. I think this is one of my qualities, I can easily mix my game, therefore my favourite game is 6max turbo STT. Everybody is tight at the beginning and after 20 minutes everybody is like 10-12BB and the person that mixes his game will dominate that type of game.

      Even though the time doesn't allow me to play as much as I would like, I will keep the updates coming.

      PS: I named the thread like this to keep my confidence high :f_biggrin:
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    • kidzoltan
      kidzoltan
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      good luck!:P
    • KidPokersKid
      KidPokersKid
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      Joined: 27.02.2009 Posts: 653
      Its more than possible though time, BRM and tilt control are major factors in growing a bankroll. Best of luck to you.
    • rechinuU
      rechinuU
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 38
      Thank you. I have just downloaded the free trial of PT3 and now I'm trying to figure it out.
      I guess I will play STTs for start. I will be at the 1$ 6max turbo STT. Each BI should be 2% of my current BR, that's my BRM.

      Any help/advice is welcomed!
    • rechinuU
      rechinuU
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 38
      I had a session of 6max turbo STT on PartyPoker and all can I say is that I won't play that ever again. That section is full of gamblers who have no idea about position play or at least outs!
      I mean, the 1$ STT on PartyPoker is padded with donkey gamblers, and yeah, their rake for 80c is 20c while on FT 20c is rake for 1$. To be honest, I regret that I hadn't made a deposit anywhere else.
      After 8 1$ STT and one 3$ (i thought gambling would be less addictive to people at that stake) I have only won 2 second places. It's like playing poker blindfolded, no matter what cards you have, just shove it, the board will help the morons anyway.

      The hands are from 1$ and the last one is from 3$ BI.



      Stacks:
      BB with 2000
      UTG with 1840
      MP with 2240
      CO with 1740
      BTN with 2040
      SB with 2140

      Blinds: 30/60
      Site: Party Poker
      ** Dealing hole cards **
      Dealt to CO:A :heart: Q :heart:
      Sklansky group 2
      Preflop:
      UTG calls [60]
      MP calls [60]
      Hero raises [180]
      BTN calls [180]
      SB calls [150]
      1 players fold.
      UTG is all-in [1,780]
      1 players fold.
      Hero is all-in [1,560]
      1 players fold.
      SB calls [1,660]
      Total folds this street: 3
      Potsize: 5570
      Flop:
      J :heart: 5 :diamond: 2 :diamond:
      Potsize: 5570
      Turn:
      10 :diamond:
      Potsize: 5570
      River:
      7 :club:
      Hero shows high card Ace:
      A :heart: Q :heart:
      SB shows a pair of Sevens:
      A :diamond: 7 :spade:
      UTG shows a pair of Tens:
      10 :spade: K :heart:
      UTG wins 200 chips from the side pot 1 with a pair of Tens.
      UTG wins 5,520 chips from the main pot with a pair of Tens.

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      Stacks:
      BTN with 2160
      SB with 1357
      BB with 2440
      UTG with 1610
      MP with 2873
      CO with 1560

      Blinds: 50/100
      Site: Party Poker
      ** Dealing hole cards **
      Dealt to UTG:7 :diamond: 7 :club:
      Sklansky group 5
      Preflop:
      Hero raises [300]
      1 players fold.
      CO calls [300]
      3 players folded.
      Total folds this street: 4
      Potsize: 600
      Flop:
      6 :spade: 4 :heart: 9 :spade:
      Hero bets [600]
      3 players fold.
      CO is all-in [1,260]
      Hero calls [660]
      Potsize: 3120
      Turn:
      3 :diamond:
      Potsize: 3120
      River:
      10 :spade:
      Hero shows a pair of Sevens:
      7 :diamond: 7 :club:
      CO shows a pair of Tens:
      10 :club: K :heart:
      CO wins 3,270 chips from the main pot with a pair of Tens.

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      Stacks:
      SB with 2040
      BB with 2000
      UTG with 1960
      MP with 1960
      CO with 1980
      BTN with 2060

      Blinds: 20/40
      Site: Party Poker
      ** Dealing hole cards **
      Dealt to SB:A :spade: K :spade:
      Sklansky group 1
      Preflop:
      4 players fold.
      Hero raises [140]
      BB calls [120]
      Total folds this street: 4
      Potsize: 260
      Flop:
      5 :diamond: 7 :heart: 6 :heart:
      Hero bets [320]
      BB calls [320]
      Potsize: 900
      Turn:
      5 :club:
      Hero is all-in [1,560]
      BB is all-in [1,520]
      Potsize: 3980
      River:
      10 :spade:
      Hero shows a pair of Fives:
      A :spade: K :spade:
      BB shows two pairs, Tens and Fives:
      8 :club: 10 :club: Hero wins 40 chips from the side pot 1 with a pair of Fives.
      BB wins 4,000 chips from the main pot with two pairs, Tens and Fives.
    • rechinuU
      rechinuU
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 38
      Yesterday I kinda went berserk over the players from low stakes at PartyPoker, tilt had me covered really good that I went to PLO and played 25NL, I didn't even cared about the money, at some point I opened a 2c/4c NLHE table and started shoving (probably I should have kept this for myself :f_frown: ).

      A bit later I opened a 6$ 6max turbo STT (for real, their rake is HUGE) and started playing. I have to say, at that limit the game is more organised, no shoves preflop, no pushes on the river when pot was like 0.5 of one's stack. A decent game, even though it jumped waaay over my BRM but who cares? I mean, at $1 and $3 I can't play my game, people are playing haoticly, the always push with AQ on a KTx flop and in general on any flops :f_mad:

      I have to say that I am grateful to the tilt that pushed me to this limit, because I discovered how profitable it can be to play with civilized people, not with monkeys.

      Obviously I cannot return to the $1 and $3 STTs so I will continue playing the $6.

      PS: How can I replay an entire STT with PT3? I would like to observe my run as a piece, not to start opening each hand.



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    • Alficor1
      Alficor1
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      Joined: 16.06.2010 Posts: 7,291
      Originally posted by rechinuU
      A bit later I opened a 6$ 6max turbo STT (for real, their rake is HUGE) and started playing. I have to say, at that limit the game is more organised, no shoves preflop, no pushes on the river when pot was like 0.5 of one's stack. A decent game, even though it jumped waaay over my BRM but who cares? I mean, at $1 and $3 I can't play my game, people are playing haoticly, the always push with AQ on a KTx flop and in general on any flops :f_mad:

      I have to say that I am grateful to the tilt that pushed me to this limit, because I discovered how profitable it can be to play with civilized people, not with monkeys.

      Obviously I cannot return to the $1 and $3 STTs so I will continue playing the $6.
      This is one of the biggest mistakes that microstakes players make. Jumping to a limit that is NOT within your BR is suicide. The players are better, so its much more demanding to win. Yes, at $1 people make ridiculous plays and sometimes get lucky, but guess what. Poker players make money mainly thanks to other players mistakes. If everyone was playing perfect poker, it would not be profitable. You might be losing now, but thats just variance. Remember this: decision correct, result irelevant. At the end of the year, you'll have the money, not the monkeys.;)
      Proper BRM is really important and yours BRM is everything but proper. Just follow it and soon you'll have a proper BR for $6.

      Good luck at the tables.:)
    • rechinuU
      rechinuU
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 38
      I know that in this point I gave up my BRM, but at $1 they play really awkward, plus that, now I play on PartyPoker, where $6 6max turbo STT feels like $1.2 6max STT turbo from FullTilt.

      I honestly cannot read anybody at $1 on PP. They push on flop with TPTK, raise preflop 20BB plus, probably the most simply rule I have forgotten until now, you can't bluff a fish. My cbets are getting called even thou I made a tripe barrel and the villan had just a small pair. How sick is that?

      I played some $6 and then a $3 to see the difference. You won't see any player on microstakes on PP that tries to make a value bet on river, hell no! Just push push push. Playing 1 and 3$ feels more like gambling than playing poker. On this platform people come from the PartyCasino and starts to gamble at PartyPoker, that's how it is with low stakes.

      I know that what I am doing now is wrong but I can't see my way out without acting like this. As you can see in the chart, the micro STTs have been killing me, which I cannot say about the $6 one.
      Anyways, I regred having a deposit on PartyPoker. Rake is huge, low limit is hyper-fishy (and not in the good way), and lots of software issues.
    • rechinuU
      rechinuU
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 38
      For some reason, my PT3 got some database issues and apparently I have lost all data.
      Lately I have played 8 $6 6max turbo STTs in which I got 1 first place, 4 second places. It has been a good run and I'm gonna call it a day.

      $15 profit for this session :f_p:

      PS: Profit should have been 18 but i joined a $3 6max turbo STT. They are hot pockets with ADD, throwing chips to the left and right.




      Rake is sick at PP¬¬¬
      BI = $5+1
      1st place = 3.6 BI
      2nd place = 2.4 BI

      Still, in my opinion FT's paying structure for this kind of STTs is waaaay better: 3.9BI and 2.1BI and the rake is not so FUCKIN' HUGE!

      $0.8+0.2; $2.4+0.6; $5+1; $10+1
      Oh rlly, still +1? I won't be there enough to reach the $11 STT but still, the structures are a mess.
    • arisko
      arisko
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      Joined: 23.09.2009 Posts: 392
      From what I can see, you are just blaming your lack of patience and lack of understanding for what makes a poker player profitable on the people who can't play.

      Everytime I see someone making an idiotic move I just smile at it, because I'm glad to see there are still players that make moves I would've thought nobody would ever try.

      If you don't get crushed at 6$, you will probably jump up to the next level too early and get crushed there.

      Move down and start over is my advice. Good luck in the future, you'll need a bunch of it :)
    • rechinuU
      rechinuU
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 38
      I simply cannot make any move on 1 and 3$. I can't play at all because either everybody checks the hand through the river or everybody is all-in on the flop. I don't want to gamble and so as my stats has showed I couldn't make any profit there.
      On the other hand, I'm doing well at $6 and I will stay here a lot, because from this level the game changed from $3 "Oh what the hell, I'm all-in" to players that are respecting some plays and they don't shove as they may.
      I didn't moved up for the money, I moved up because 1 and 3$ is gambler's paradise. I will remain at $6 and apply the BR = 50BI

      I appreciate your advice and it would have helped me on other playforms (e.g.: Full Tilt) but here is low-stake chaos and huge rake.
    • MIMIso
      MIMIso
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      Joined: 16.02.2010 Posts: 63
      Yeah, Party Poker micro sng's are hell. And they are all turbos, no regular 1$ sngs. Crap.

      But still, moving to 6$ right away might be a mistake. Gl anyway.
    • KidPokersKid
      KidPokersKid
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      Joined: 27.02.2009 Posts: 653
      I dont think its complete suicide to move up as long as you can afford to replenish your bankroll from an outside source if variance hits... and to be honest on PP I think you should try to reach the $11 ($10+1) games as fast as possible, this is the lvl where rake is reasonable.
    • rechinuU
      rechinuU
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      I have been observing a few tables of $11 and the game gets better and better but I still cannot jump to that level. To be honest, if I lose this BR can't say that I would be mad angry because I intend to move back to FT. This platform is kinda bad. But if I reach $11 STTs I think I will stay, who knows ?(
    • shogun2313
      shogun2313
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      Joined: 11.09.2010 Posts: 1,614
      why don't you try to play cash games for a change? i had the same problems with 1$ sng that they are not easily playable and very frustrating because of the fish. now i'm profitable at playing cash games and gonna build the bankroll needed to play in 6$ sng.

      this way you run the risk of being broke. if you build a bankroll first, that's likely not gonna happen
    • rechinuU
      rechinuU
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      For some reason I have lost my confidence in my cash game play. I played a few hands here and 5NL from FT feels like 25NL here. Here are too many aggro gamblers. Today I won't be playing, prolly 4 SNGs tonight. After Wednesday I will gave more time for myself and I will dedicate it to poker.
    • NeilSimpson
      NeilSimpson
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      absolutly correct......when i play well and keep my head...playing within BR management i crush up to NL100...and then i lose the plot play too high and tilt and it all goes and i have to start from scratch!adhere to br management and dont tilt and ul be fine!
    • rechinuU
      rechinuU
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 38
      I dare you deposit $50 on PartyPoker and play the $1 6max turbo STT and actually have profit and not get eaten by huge rake and then you can tell me to stick to BRM and play that gambler's heaven.

      I'm sorry to say it, but if anyone else will come and say to stick to BRM please don't. I'm looking forward to get the bonus and leave this platform, microlimits are like freerolls(and here i'm talkins strictly about SNGs).
    • gedwashere91
      gedwashere91
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      Joined: 20.07.2009 Posts: 2,387
      Originally posted by rechinuU
      Thank you. I have just downloaded the free trial of PT3 and now I'm trying to figure it out.
      I guess I will play STTs for start. I will be at the 1$ 6max turbo STT. Each BI should be 2% of my current BR, that's my BRM.

      Any help/advice is welcomed!
      If you're playing STTs get HEM not PT3. I wish someone had told me this when I started.. would have saved me $90.

      Also, I went from $50 in march this year to $1200 now. It's very possible, you just have to study LOTS of poker and don't tilt off your BR. If you need to play while tilting, just put $1 on an MTT and go crazy :P just NEVER tilt in your regular games.


      EDIT: Oh lol, not only what I said about going from $50 to $1200 in a year is relevant, but if you read my blog (lol shameless spruik) I actually was doing the same shit you're doing now when I started.. trying to play $6s on PartyPoker with $50 bankroll... it's suicide man, seriously. Move your money to Full Tilt, make sure you get rakeback, and grind from the $1.20s up. The $1.20s on FTP aren't quite as ridiculous as the $1s on partypoker.
    • rechinuU
      rechinuU
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      Thanks for the HEM reference. :f_biggrin: I did not have bought the PT3, it is just a trial version so I haven't wasted any money =)
      Huge rake, no rakeback, shittty microlimits. I regret having a deposit here. Right now i have 46 points(i guess it's like about 20 STTs that I'm playing) to get from PartyPoker and I will move back to FT. And if I don't make it here until I reach 100 points that's a bummer but I will leave this platform for sure.
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