27% rakeback and starting capital

    • Umburgis
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      My first day when i got my capital, lost it after 30minutes, if u want to hear the story here it is : ive got a flush on a flop (King high), the flop was something like this (2Q7) the guy bets 10$ i call, river (4) he bets 10 i call, the last one comes out (7) he calls 9$ and i had to go all in, and guess what, the guy had fullhouse sevens full of deuces LOL bye bye starting capital... So i was wondering if ill get the rakeback of 27% and with my calculations i should get around 13$ back from what i lost, right. Please explain me.
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    • JazBenz
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      Originally posted by Umburgis
      My first day when i got my capital, lost it after 30minutes, if u want to hear the story here it is : ive got a flush on a flop (King high), the flop was something like this (2Q7) the guy bets 10$ i call, river (4) he bets 10 i call, the last one comes out (7) he calls 9$ and i had to go all in, and guess what, the guy had fullhouse sevens full of deuces LOL bye bye starting capital... So i was wondering if ill get the rakeback of 27% and with my calculations i should get around 13$ back from what i lost, right. Please explain me.
      Ever heard of a thing called bankroll management?
    • nathanrenard
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      Well, it this was in full tilt, you might get something around $1.5 in rakeback. I think you got rakeback compleatly wrong.

      And... you've cheated your test.
    • EagleStar88
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      Hi Umburgis,

      You will only receive rakeback on the rake part of the money you staked, not your whole losses.
      There are also some deductable items so you will have to wait until Friday to see if you receive anything.

      Sorry to hear that you lost your starting capital, but JazBenz is correct, it is vital that you follow a sensible BRM as described in the strategy guides. You simply cannot take your whole bankroll to the tables and gamble on one hand holding up.
      Go back over the strategy material and re-read everything until it is clearer. Once you're ready, you will either need to deposit a small amount of your own funds or play a few freerolls to build up your roll again.

      Remember though that small is best in the early days in particular. Only play the smaller levels and only take a small part of your bankroll to the tables.

      Wishing you every success in re-grouping and good luck in your next attempt.

      Best regards,


      Bart
    • Umburgis
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      Ye, but seriously, you know how boring it is to play them 0.02/0.05 games.. I can't stand it :) . And no, nathan, i did not cheat, i just don't like playing poker for 10hours to earn them 2bucks :) , i like to take risk and see what happens, im an aggressive player not a tight player.
    • EagleStar88
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      Controlled aggression in poker is a good thing, but I fear what you are describing is out and out gambling.

      Poker is not a get rich quick scheme. You will need to spend many hours learning the finer techniques of play, many more hours trying out and fine-tuning those techniques and then yet more grinding out a profit.
      The strategies work, but your edge will initially be small and requires a lot of committment & dedication and above all else you need to enjoy playing poker.
      By playing smaller you are spreading the risk of variance which every player experiences and experiences often.

      Alternatively you can just keep depositing money and cross your fingers that you win the odd coinflip. This is not recommended however and is where gambling problems start from.

      We're here to help you, but you need to be open to the advice that the members are giving you.
      Why not post a few questions and see how our friendly membership can help you based on their own experiences ;)

      Best regards,


      Bart
    • BOBOsvk
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      u are deffinitely a busto player

      and this is the most epic story i've ever heared
    • pogodon
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      kids
    • Umburgis
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      Yo, now tell me that u wouldn't play a hand when u get a flush on a FLOP. Without even seeing the river card. LOL ur just mad, because you've been playing a lot to make that 20bucks while i took a shot, and missed, and if i would of won, u would shake my hand, so sit down lad and think about it. Thanks for your advice EagleStar88.
    • BOBOsvk
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      but maybe we are having those 20$ however you have 0$ :p
    • nathanrenard
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      About the cheating, i just said you didn't listen to BRM managment.

      I know how boring can be spending hours and sometimes look at your br and it's break even sometimes, but imho i don't look poker as results orientated no more and that helped me a lot.

      Plus, if you think it's boring playing NL5, you can try going upper in limits, but make sure you have a decent BR to follow ur losses and never forget moving down once you're not rolled for a certain limit.

      A friend of mine started out his poker career saving money he used to spend on night clubs, made a sick deposit of $2k, and started grinding/learning at NL50 already, it is a option, however you've got to be sure you got the right mindset to suffer some big losses in the learning period.

      And everyone here at PokerStrategy.com is usually to help. We might make fun of something here and there, but everyone is great. If you check my blog you'll see what i did to my $50 starting capital. Wasn't an epic 30m loss, but close.
    • JazBenz
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      Originally posted by Umburgis
      Ye, but seriously, you know how boring it is to play them 0.02/0.05 games.. I can't stand it :) . And no, nathan, i did not cheat, i just don't like playing poker for 10hours to earn them 2bucks :) , i like to take risk and see what happens, im an aggressive player not a tight player.
      lmao... with your attitude you will NEVER... I repeat NEVER make profit with poker.

      Why dont you just go to a casino and play other games... you are just a gambler, but poker isnt just about gambling... it is so much more. The way you play poker is like someone who wants to play football just kicking the ball ANYPLACE... just to kick a ball... thats how you play poker.

      - you don't understand poker
      - no patience or strategy
      - you don't love poker

      Conclusion: poker is not for you
    • Umburgis
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      U dont get it, i dont care how much i can or will loose to see someones hand, i just love the idea of poker, i love to bluff, fool around, ill never let you see the flop easy, i just play poker a little bit different than you and thats it, i could go on and ask you to tell me about yourself and poker, and i could criticise your gameplay or ur tactic. I hate loosing but so does everyone else, but ill never cry about my lost for longer than 5hours, ill just get going and get everything back if possible, someone like you, you only play your hand when u have SOMETHING, u will never make a call or a raise with complete rubish in your hand without even seeing a flop, and i hate this kind of players, at the 0.02/0.05 games all of them are just like that, u bet 0.10$ they all fold, like chicken, and i dont really see a point playing this kind of games. What im trying to say is that i play 80% of my hands, and win 60% of them, when u play 20% of them and probably win them all, but seriously, you have to have a lot of patience to play like that, but im not saying that it is bad/sad or w/e im just saying that it is not acceptable for me, but im not judging you for that, unlike you, your blaming me for playing the gamestyle i prefer, and that is not gambling that is POKER, the POKER i love to play and will PLAY.

      No offense, just wanted to tell you what im thinking. Thanks for advices








      By the way nathan, answer my question, would you call a raise or raise when u get a flush on a flop, and then just go all the way, when u see that theres like 10% chance of u loosing this hand.? This could of happen to me even after my balance was 200$ or even more, it happens to everyone, but it just happened to me really fast (LOL).
    • kivimugi
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      No offence... but you would still be playing poker if you play by the BRM
      Sure you can play as you want, but you lose fast with no BRM(as you did).
    • eteris
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      I think you don't get it. You can play how ever you want, but not with a whole bankroll at a table.
    • pogodon
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      here is the best advice i can tell you, i was playing black jack in a casnio in town one night and i was betting big amounts and this old timer tells me to stop betting so big and i say but its boring playing small and he says and i quote "what would you prefer son, to win a little or lose alot"


      i suupose i will ask you, win a little or lose a lot?
    • wasy8
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      moar levelling needed in these threads imo
    • BOBOsvk
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      Umburgis more more more pls. This rly made my day complete. THX
    • UltimateBlue
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      One way to use a starting capital is to take a shot like OP did. I think it is very common to do that but not that common to write about it here.
    • AlCaTrAzzALZ
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      so.... bad time to mention at NL50 yesterday i rivered sevens full against some guy who flopped a flush? ;)