I am terrible at poker

    • joeldowey123
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      I just make terrible decisions!

      I was playing live last night at the local casino and just couldnt play well! it wasnt a case of getting bad cards, although my QQ ran into AA, but i think i was just making bad plays!

      I know live is a different game to online, and i may have been playing my online game a bit (which is still a losing game, im not embarressed to say that im a losing player because i am)

      I think i was giving my opponents too much respect, my friend who was there said they were terrible players but i felt like i couldnt make plays at them without a strong made hand, i felt i couldnt push them off their weak hands and be aggressive

      I conciously tried last night to observe opponents, how they were betting or calling etc and myabe i was choosing the wrong spots.

      I am trying to get better, ive started to read books and im starting to reread the articles on here, although im back to bronze member as i havnt played online in a bit due to my computer being crap!

      I enjoy poker and im not gonna stop playing because i like it and i think its a good night, id prefer to spend £30 on a live tournament than to spend £30 getting drunk! I just want to be better and turn myself from a losing one to a winning one.
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    • ExternalUseOnly
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      Originally posted by joeldowey123

      I think i was giving my opponents too much respect, my friend who was there said they were terrible players but i felt like i couldnt make plays at them without a strong made hand, i felt i couldnt push them off their weak hands and be aggressive

      Well dont try to push them off their hands then, wait for monsters and get called all night by the gambling casino fish :f_cool:
    • joeldowey123
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      well even when i had a big hand, like a one point i had a set of queens, the 2 guys before me checked, and bet 22 at a 38 pot, as there were to suited cards out there and didnt want to make it too cheap but they both folded!

      this was omaha by the way as at that casno they only play a round of each in the cash games

      i know what you are saying, and it makes sense but in live games where you dont see many hands, its hard to be that patient if you arent gonna be there for more than a couple hours
    • joeldowey123
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      i just re read that last sentence and it sounds like i play any two, which is certainly not the case i actually play pretty tight, i guess i just have a hard time laying down made hands maybe!

      i just felt my play last night was pretty poor
    • Meemawuk
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      I play a lot of live poker (cash in particular) and learned the hard way to NEVER BLUFF in any of these games. I have saw a call down on every street with King high on a flush and paired board where the guy missed his gutshot straight on the river, but couldn't fold to the value bet on the river because he thought "there was 2 much in the pot". The guy who 3 barreled with the 7 high flush draw that missed, then valuebet/bluffed the river wasnt happy!

      People will call down with middle/bottom pair no matter what you throw at them. Work on losing less when you don't have good cards, and maximising value when you do.
    • joeldowey123
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      okay cool, thanks for your advice. Ill try that next time i am down.

      I played a bit online last night at a friends house on his bro's laptop and had a winning session which restored some confidence that my game, although still has leaks, isnt as bad as i thought and that i played pretty well i think!

      but then again i could have just had a lucky run! i dont remember getting lucky as such and i did make 2 or 3 plays that came off so i was doing it in the right spots!

      its a fickle game, and i love it for that! but damn its frustrating lol!
    • cjchalmers
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      POST DELETED: irrelevant
    • holnrew
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      Nah, it was fixed against you. A guy was probably doing something when dealing. That's got to be it.
    • joeldowey123
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      Originally posted by holnrew
      Nah, it was fixed against you. A guy was probably doing something when dealing. That's got to be it.
      dude, not helpful


      cjchalmers - Ive looked at getting these books but arent they for tourneys?

      I'm generally a cash game but play tourneys on the side mainly for fun, is there any cross-relevance?

      Ive read the poker mindset, which does help alot with tilt and seeing how you should manage yourself as well as your roll but no books on actual strategy really, just the articles on here, which i find hard to read anyway, i dont like read long texts on the screen id rather have them in paper
    • AKM247
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      Hey,

      Thumbs up for honesty, I had a bad week this week from being overconfident and overly optimistic about my hand compared to my opponents range. I went back to basics and read some of the beginner articles. I found the article 'professional attitude' by Stefan1000 really helped remind me to be more concious of my play and stick to my game. More importantly that you have to be tenacious.
      As in the article;
      " I cant emphasize it strongly enough - if you want to be successful you must be prepared to continually question your knowledge and ability, and possess great willpower."
      I can completely emphasize with your love for the game, I hope things improve for you.
    • cjchalmers
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      Originally posted by joeldowey123
      cjchalmers - Ive looked at getting these books but arent they for tourneys?

      I'm generally a cash game but play tourneys on the side mainly for fun, is there any cross-relevance?
      Oops i clearly skimmed over your original post... sorry dude...

      O.k. .... So check out ......

      #1

      #2

      Apologies for my irrelevant first post ;)

      GL at the tables :s_cool:
    • joeldowey123
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      oh cool thanks man! appreiate the effort! ill get onto amazon asap!
    • joeldowey123
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      Originally posted by AKM247
      Hey,

      Thumbs up for honesty, I had a bad week this week from being overconfident and overly optimistic about my hand compared to my opponents range. I went back to basics and read some of the beginner articles. I found the article 'professional attitude' by Stefan1000 really helped remind me to be more concious of my play and stick to my game. More importantly that you have to be tenacious.
      As in the article;
      " I cant emphasize it strongly enough - if you want to be successful you must be prepared to continually question your knowledge and ability, and possess great willpower."
      I can completely emphasize with your love for the game, I hope things improve for you.
      thanks man! yeah i have the feeling that going back to basics will be my best option.

      its hard at the minute as i dont really have a computer and so can put the hours in.

      what im trying to do is save for a laptop and enough for a HUd and kinda start from scratch, put myself in a quiet room away from everything and just play and play!

      ill have a look for that article you speak of and have a read of it! sounds interesting!

      i feel that i have to required attitude, i dont think i know it all, and im trying to improve all the time, sometimes its hard because i dont REALLY know how to evaluate my performance of that session, which is why i need a HUD or elepahnt or something to help me because at the minute all i have is my hand histories which is a bit of a brainmelter to try and read.

      if for instance you think that hand didnt go exactly to plan how would you go about it, would you note down the number of the hand to try and find it later and convert it?

      i have posted on here a few times but its hard to know if you made the right play on a certain hand, especially if you win it!
    • cjchalmers
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      Originally posted by joeldowey123
      oh cool thanks man! appreiate the effort! ill get onto amazon asap!
      You're most welcome :)
    • holnrew
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      You can always play on Cake poker while saving for a HUD, they're banned there so you aren't at a massive disadvantage.
    • joeldowey123
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      Originally posted by holnrew
      You can always play on Cake poker while saving for a HUD, they're banned there so you aren't at a massive disadvantage.
      cool, ill check that out, thanks!
    • AKM247
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      hey joeldowey123,

      This is just my opinion, but I would not worry too much about HUD to play with at the moment, I just check out my hand histories. The HUD is something I would like to get round to using but not something I would like to rely on since would could miss it when you play live. I am still on lower stakes until I have enough BR to move up limits, perhaps when I do I will start looking into HUD.

      If you are going to get back to basics then the starting hand charts are always a good way to start and stick to the micro limits.

      I tried reading up on SnG, I just won a 10 player SnG on Full Tilt 5 mins ago (only $4.50 but every little counts for my BR), I find the strategy is very easy to follow as long as you apply patience and discipline. But the best thing about it is that you can see the strategy working much better and it is easier to get the basics. You are practically folding your way through early and middle phase of a tourney, stealing blinds and re-steals. The articles then get more advanced to fine tune your game but they are structured fantastically and you can really notice your progress.

      Maybe try it out? Either way do not be disheartened - if you keep at it I am sure things will get better ;)

      AKM
    • Donmecon
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      Listen to me mate:

      Poker is a simple game you either are a lucky .ucker or your not.

      I have poker tracker which most know analysis everything including how much you win off all your different starting hands, from AA to 27 off.

      Let me tell you over the last few months I have lost more money on AA than any other starting hand. On several times I have managed to get my money in the middle in a cash game with a caller but sucked out most times. I win a large percentage of the hands I play but when it comes to the big pots Bad beats is my nickname. This game is about luck. Some people were born lucky others not.

      Settle for the fact that your like me born to lose. However well you play god isn't smiling on you.
    • ihufa
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      realizing that you suck probably means you're already half ways to not sucking.