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[NL2-NL10] Nl2 88

    • Smashie
      Joined: 21.09.2010 Posts: 149
      Known players:

      0,01/0,02 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.90 by

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8:spade: , 8:diamond:
      Hero raises to $0,07, 2 folds, BU calls $0,07, 2 folds.

      Flop: ($0,17) 7:spade: , 6:club: , 4:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0,14, BU calls $0,14.

      Turn: ($0,45) 6:heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0,31, BU raises to $0,62, Hero calls $0,31.

      River: ($1,69) Q:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU raises $0,87 (All-In), Hero folds, BU gets uncalled bet back (All-In).

      Final Pot: $1,69

      So close to calling, but feels like trips/boat. Any pointers? fold on turn?
  • 3 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      if you think he would only raise with better hands then b/f turn, other case I´d played for stacks
      nl 2 players should bluff/raise turn enough times with worse hands than your overpair
    • Chenghao
      Joined: 04.10.2009 Posts: 274
      with only 10 hands , his stats really mean nothing much

      ur effectively turning your 88s into a bluff by b/c turn then c/f river. ch and reevaluate T based on how he plays

      the Flop is dry except for variants of OESD. on the turn u still beat the 7 and 4 , u are behind the 6 now though.

      Pot control T and not to blow it up , if u bet the Turn ,

      SPR = Effective stack / Pot
      Stack to Pot Ratio on Turn before betting : 1.79 / 0.45 = around 4

      googling a random SPR article

      A) Benefits of SPR example.

      The best example of SPR is when you have a top pair hand like Ah Ks on a flop of Kd Td 9c. We have top pair, but the board is highly coordinated and in all honesty we'd really prefer to bet and just take this pot down on the flop.

      * Low SPR = 0 - 6
      * Medium SPR = 7 - 16
      * High SPR = 17+

      A) Good hands for low SPRs.

      * Overpairs.
      * Top pair.
      * Bottom two pair.

      B) Good hands for medium SPRs.

      * Top two pair.
      * Sets.
      * Good drawing hands.
      * Flushes and straights.

      C) Good hands for high SPRs.

      * Sets.
      * Strong drawing hands.
      * Big flushes and high-end straights.

      with this in mind , 4 = low SPR ratio , when u bet on the T , your purpose is really to get all your chips into the pot.

      at the turn , if you think you are ahead , ship it in , you might get a call from 4 or the 7 , the 6 isn't folding though. Most micro stakes limit player won't fold over pairs in this spot though , so if you are ahead , it will be ahead of awkwardly played random paint cards (A J Q K T ) the 7 , the 4 , the OESD variants like 89 , 5x , drawing thin if he holds , 6x , 44 , 77 , 58 and 53.

      Summary : if your general post flop strategy is nitty , then fold your 88 to further aggression on the Turn , or the most you can do is to pot control and ch/c bets not more then pot sized.

      if your general post flop strategy is AGGRESSION , then bet / raise your 88s on the turn.
    • Chenghao
      Joined: 04.10.2009 Posts: 274
      Originally posted by Chenghao

      SPR = Effective stack / Pot
      Stack to Pot Ratio on Turn before betting : 1.79 / 0.45 = around 4

      Correction , the Effective stacks = what both of you have left behind , so since you cover him and he has less then you ( 2-1.7 = 0.3 less)

      the SPR is then 1.49 / 0.45 = around 3.3.

      still it means its low SPR , which is a very easy push for overpair to the flop.