	{"id":18587,"date":"2011-08-01T16:00:00","date_gmt":"2011-08-01T16:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/hu\/a-no-talk-szabaly-arvek-as-ellenarvek\/"},"modified":"2026-06-09T07:56:10","modified_gmt":"2026-06-09T07:56:10","slug":"a-no-talk-szabaly-arvek-as-ellenarvek","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/hu\/a-no-talk-szabaly-arvek-as-ellenarvek\/","title":{"rendered":"A No Talk szab\u00e1ly: \u00e9rvek \u00e9s ellen\u00e9rvek"},"content":{"rendered":"<?xml encoding=\"utf-8\" ?><table border=\"0\" cellspacing=\"2\" cellpadding=\"3\" width=\"585\" align=\"center\" style=\"height: 38px\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"background-color: #e3e3e7;border: 1px solid #e3e3e7;width: 285px;text-align: center\"><span style=\"color: #000000;font-size: xx-small\"><strong>Olvastad m&aacute;r?<\/strong><\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 285px;border: 1px solid #e3e3e7;text-align: center\"><span style=\"font-size: xx-small\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"-Indulj-be%21_46972\/\">Hamarosan &uacute;jra<\/a><a href=\"\/news\/world-of-poker\/Indulj-a-2011-es-WCOOP-versenyein-a-PokerStars-term%C3%A9ben_49641\/\" title=\"Indulj a 2011-es WCOOP versenyein a PokerStars term&eacute;ben\"> WCOOP <\/a><\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #e3e3e7;width: 190px;text-align: center\"><span style=\"font-size: xx-small\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"-negyedik-%C3%A9l%C5%91-gy%C3%A9m%C3%A1nttal%C3%A1lkoz%C3%B3-okt%C3%B3ber-elsej%C3%A9n_48486\/\">Eml&eacute;keztet&#337;: 4. &eacute;l&#337; gy&eacute;m&aacute;nttal&aacute;lkoz&oacute;<\/a><\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"width: 190px;border: 1px solid #e3e3e7;text-align: center\"><span style=\"font-size: xx-small\"><a href=\"-indul-a-kezd%C5%91k%C3%A9z-lott%C3%B3%21_49528\/\" title=\"Tippelj &eacute;s nyerj: indul a kezd&#337;k&eacute;z-lott&oacute;!\">Tippelj &eacute;s nyerj: indul a kezd&#337;k&eacute;z-lott&oacute;! <\/a><\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table><p> <\/p><table border=\"0\" align=\"right\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/2011\/07\/31\/negreanu-zipper.jpg\" alt=\"negreanu zipper\" width=\"200\" height=\"300\" align=\"right\" style=\"margin-left: 12px;margin-bottom: 6px\"><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table><p>Tal&aacute;n te is hallottad, amikor Daniel Negreanu a WSOP f&#337;verseny t&eacute;v&eacute;s asztal&aacute;n&aacute;l emelt panaszt az &uacute;gynevezett <em>No Talk<\/em> szab&aacute;ly ellen. N&eacute;h&aacute;nyotok sz&aacute;m&aacute;ra tal&aacute;n zavar&oacute; is volt, hogy &uacute;jra meg &uacute;jra ez&eacute;rt panaszkodott, de a legt&ouml;bben tal&aacute;n felteszik magukban a k&eacute;rd&eacute;st: \"<em>Ellenvet&eacute;sei vajon jogosak lehettek?<\/em>\"<\/p><p>A sz&oacute;ban forg&oacute; szab&aacute;ly a WSOP 41. szab&aacute;lya, amelyet a Tournament Director's Association Rules tartalmaz (&eacute;s nem a 42., ahogyan Matt&nbsp;Savage a QuadJacks-n&eacute;l &aacute;ll&iacute;totta). Ez a szab&aacute;lygy&#369;jtem&eacute;ny &eacute;rv&eacute;nyes a WSOP versenyein, de a legt&ouml;bb Las&nbsp;Vegas-i &eacute;s kaliforniai versenyen &uacute;gyszint&eacute;n.<\/p><p>A szab&aacute;ly a k&ouml;vetkez&#337;t mondja ki:<\/p><p>\"<em>41. <strong>Inform&aacute;ci&oacute; nem adhat&oacute; tov&aacute;bb<br><\/strong>A j&aacute;t&eacute;kosok sz&aacute;m&aacute;ra k&ouml;telez&#337; megv&eacute;deni a t&ouml;bbi j&aacute;t&eacute;kost a verseny teljes ideje alatt. Ez&eacute;rt egy j&aacute;t&eacute;kosnak, ak&aacute;r r&eacute;szt vett az adott leoszt&aacute;sban, ak&aacute;r nem, tilos:<\/em><\/p><ol>\n<li><em>Felfedni egy j&aacute;t&eacute;kban l&eacute;v&#337;, vagy dobott k&eacute;z lapjait.<\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Utal&aacute;sokat tenni, vagy kritik&aacute;t hozz&aacute;f&#369;zni egy leoszt&aacute;shoz.<\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Readeket kiadni egy olyan leoszt&aacute;sr&oacute;l, ahol nem t&ouml;rt&eacute;nt mutat&aacute;s.<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ol><div><em>&Eacute;rv&eacute;nyben van tov&aacute;bb&aacute; a One-Player-to-a-Hand (egy kezd&#337;k&eacute;z, egy j&aacute;t&eacute;kos) szab&aacute;ly is.<\/em>\"<\/div><p>A TDA m&aacute;r t&ouml;bb mint h&eacute;t &eacute;ve tartalmazza ezt a szab&aacute;lyt, de t&ouml;bb j&aacute;t&eacute;kos, k&ouml;zt&uuml;k Daniel&nbsp;Negreanu is tiltakozott az szab&aacute;ly alkalmaz&aacute;s&aacute;nak idei m&oacute;dja ellen.<\/p><h2>Matt Savage magyar&aacute;zata<\/h2><p>Matt&nbsp;Savage r&eacute;szt vett a hivatalos versenyszab&aacute;lyzat megalkot&aacute;s&aacute;ban, &eacute;s m&uacute;lt h&eacute;ten Daniel&nbsp;Negreanu-val egy&uuml;tt a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.quadjacks.com\/2011\/07\/30\/matt-savage-talks-about-the-no-talking-rule-later-we-are-joined-by-daniel-negreanu-quadjacks-poker-radio-podcast-friday-july-29th\/\">QuadJacks Radio<\/a> vend&eacute;ge volt, ahol Marco&nbsp;Valerio m&#369;sorvezet&#337;vel a szab&aacute;ly el&#337;nyeir&#337;l &eacute;s h&aacute;tr&aacute;nyair&oacute;l besz&eacute;lgettek.<\/p><p>Savage r&ouml;gt&ouml;n az elej&eacute;n lesz&ouml;gezte, hogy a szab&aacute;ly megalkot&aacute;s&aacute;nak f&#337; oka az &ouml;sszej&aacute;tsz&aacute;s megakad&aacute;lyoz&aacute;sa volt. Biztosra szerettek volna menni, hogy egy j&aacute;t&eacute;kos nem seg&iacute;t m&aacute;st az asztaln&aacute;l azzal, hogy felfedi saj&aacute;t k&eacute;zerej&eacute;t. Azt azonban &#337; is elismerte, hogy az asztaln&aacute;l zajl&oacute; besz&eacute;lget&eacute;sek k&ouml;z&uuml;l csak azokat szabadna tilt&aacute;s al&aacute; venni, amelyek a j&aacute;t&eacute;kosok lapjair&oacute;l sz&oacute;lnak, az ett&#337;l f&uuml;ggetlen besz&eacute;lget&eacute;seket nem.<\/p><p>Szerinte ha ezt a szab&aacute;lyt hat&aacute;lyon k&iacute;v&uuml;l helyezik, az &ouml;sszej&aacute;tsz&aacute;snak m&aacute;r semmi sem vethet g&aacute;tat, hiszen b&aacute;rmelyik j&aacute;t&eacute;kos elmondhatja bar&aacute;tj&aacute;nak k&eacute;zerej&eacute;t. Ennek kiv&eacute;d&eacute;s&eacute;re csak az adhat lehet&#337;s&eacute;get, ha a j&aacute;t&eacute;kosok sz&aacute;m&aacute;ra tilos egym&aacute;s lapjair&oacute;l besz&eacute;lgetni.<\/p><p>Meg&aacute;llap&iacute;totta tov&aacute;bb&aacute; azt is, hogy ez a szab&aacute;ly m&aacute;r l&eacute;tezett, amikor Jamie&nbsp;Gold megnyerte a WSOP f&#337;versenyt (n&eacute;ha Jamie Gold szab&aacute;lynak is h&iacute;vj&aacute;k), de ha &#337; lett volna a versenyigazgat&oacute; 2006-ban, Gold eg&eacute;sz biztosan nem nyerte volna meg a torn&aacute;t. Addig kapta volna a b&uuml;ntet&eacute;seket, am&iacute;g abba nem hagyja saj&aacute;t lapjai kibesz&eacute;l&eacute;s&eacute;t.<\/p><h2>Daniel Negreanu v&aacute;lasza<\/h2><p>Matt Savage fejteget&eacute;sei ut&aacute;n Daniel&nbsp;Negreanu is sz&oacute;t kapott a QuadJacks r&aacute;di&oacute;m&#369;sor&aacute;ban, &eacute;s elmagyar&aacute;zta, hogy szerinte mi&eacute;rt nincs semmi &eacute;rtelme a szab&aacute;ly betartat&aacute;s&aacute;nak.<\/p><p>Els&#337;k&eacute;nt n&eacute;h&aacute;ny p&eacute;ld&aacute;nak sz&aacute;nt asztali besz&eacute;lget&eacute;sek osztott meg a k&ouml;z&ouml;ns&eacute;ggel. Ezekben a r&eacute;sztvev&#337;k k&ouml;zvetlen m&oacute;don nem fedt&eacute;k fel k&eacute;zerej&uuml;ket, de tov&aacute;bbadtak n&eacute;mi inform&aacute;ci&oacute;t, &eacute;s ezzel pr&oacute;b&aacute;ltak m&eacute;g t&ouml;bbet megtudni ellenfel&uuml;k k&eacute;zerej&eacute;r&#337;l.<\/p><p>Savage azt v&aacute;laszolta, hogy ha rajta m&uacute;lna a d&ouml;nt&eacute;s, ezek k&ouml;z&uuml;l egyik sem lenne szab&aacute;lytalan - amire Daniel &uacute;gy reag&aacute;lt, hogy ez csak meger&#337;s&iacute;ti &eacute;rvel&eacute;s&eacute;t. Kifejtette tov&aacute;bb&aacute;, hogy szerinte kiz&aacute;rt, hogy \"<em>20 versenyigazgat&oacute; 10 k&uuml;l&ouml;nb&ouml;z&#337; szitu&aacute;ci&oacute;ban mind ugyan&uacute;gy d&ouml;nts&ouml;n<\/em>\". Negreanu szerint a szab&aacute;ly k&ouml;r&uuml;l pontosan ez&eacute;rt hatalmas a mozg&aacute;st&eacute;r, &eacute;s mindenk&eacute;ppen m&oacute;dos&iacute;t&aacute;sra szorul.<\/p><p>Negreanu azt is elmondta, hogy bizonyos szitu&aacute;ci&oacute;knak (p&eacute;ld&aacute;ul egy megad&aacute;s a riveren) semmi k&ouml;ze nem lehet az &ouml;sszej&aacute;tsz&aacute;shoz, a csal&oacute;k pedig besz&eacute;lget&eacute;sek n&eacute;lk&uuml;l is k&eacute;pesek csalni az asztalokn&aacute;l.<\/p><p>Ak&aacute;r azt mondja egy j&aacute;t&eacute;kos, hogy \"<em>csak a bl&ouml;ff&ouml;t verem<\/em>\", ak&aacute;r azt, hogy \"<em>kilences p&aacute;rom van<\/em>\" -  minden esetben inform&aacute;ci&oacute;t ad tov&aacute;bb k&eacute;zerej&eacute;r&#337;l. Az pedig, hogy egyes versenyigazgat&oacute;k az els&#337; kijelent&eacute;st m&eacute;g nem, de a m&aacute;sodikat m&aacute;r szab&aacute;lytalannak tartj&aacute;k, egyszer&#369;en nem k&ouml;vetkezetes viselked&eacute;s.<\/p><h2>Te mit gondolsz err&#337;l?<\/h2><p>Negreanu &eacute;rvel&eacute;se m&eacute;g te&aacute;tr&aacute;lis el&#337;ad&aacute;sm&oacute;dja &eacute;s n&eacute;h&aacute;ny k&ouml;d&ouml;s kijelent&eacute;se ellen&eacute;re is meggy&#337;z&#337;bbnek hat. Ahogyan sok m&aacute;s esetben, itt is kompromisszumokra lesz sz&uuml;ks&eacute;g. Tal&aacute;n sz&uuml;ks&eacute;g&uuml;nk lehet egy pontosabb kereteket lefektet&#337; szab&aacute;lyra, amely kimondja, hogy milyen helyzetekben &eacute;s milyen m&eacute;rt&eacute;kben besz&eacute;lheti meg k&eacute;t j&aacute;t&eacute;kos az asztalokn&aacute;l keze erej&eacute;t.<\/p><p>A <a href=\"http:\/\/www.quadjacks.com\/2011\/07\/30\/matt-savage-talks-about-the-no-talking-rule-later-we-are-joined-by-daniel-negreanu-quadjacks-poker-radio-podcast-friday-july-29th\/\" target=\"_blank\">QuadJacks Radio<\/a> m&#369;sor&aacute;ban mindenesetre &eacute;rdekes &eacute;s fordulatos vita bontakozott ki.<\/p><p>Te mit gondolsz a <em>No Talk <\/em>szab&aacute;lyr&oacute;l? Mondd el a hozz&aacute;sz&oacute;l&aacute;sok k&ouml;z&ouml;tt!<\/p><p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Az idei WSOP alatt jelent\u00c5\u2018s szerep jutott az \u00c3\u00bagynevezett No Talk szab\u00c3\u00a1lynak, vagyis az asztalokn\u00c3\u00a1l zajl\u00c3\u00b3 besz\u00c3\u00a9lget\u00c3\u00a9sek ker\u00c3\u00bcl\u00c3\u00a9s\u00c3\u00a9re felsz\u00c3\u00b3l\u00c3\u00adt\u00c3\u00b3 szab\u00c3\u00a1lypontnak. 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