{"id":820,"date":"2008-01-19T17:44:00","date_gmt":"2008-01-19T17:44:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/hu\/2008\/01\/19\/deep-stack-jatak\/"},"modified":"2026-06-09T04:40:01","modified_gmt":"2026-06-09T04:40:01","slug":"deep-stack-jatak","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/hu\/news\/content\/Deep-stack-jatek_03140\/","title":{"rendered":"Deep stack j\u00e1t\u00e9k"},"content":{"rendered":"<?xml encoding=\"utf-8\" ?><div align=\"justify\">\nA l&eacute;p&eacute;seink nagy r&eacute;sz&eacute;t ugyan&uacute;gy csin&aacute;ljuk, k&uuml;l&ouml;n&ouml;sen a preflop all-ineket, a h&iacute;v&aacute;sok m&eacute;rt&eacute;k&eacute;t, a bl&ouml;ff&ouml;ket &eacute;s az &eacute;rt&eacute;k&eacute;rt emel&eacute;st. Ha nagyon j&oacute; kezet tartunk, all-in akarunk menni a riverig, &iacute;gy j&aacute;tszunk maxim&aacute;lis 100BB be&uuml;l&#337;vel, de hogyan j&aacute;tsszunk 200BB-vel?\n<p>A j&aacute;t&eacute;kunk sok t&eacute;nyez&#337;t&#337;l f&uuml;gg ilyenkor, egyebek k&ouml;z&ouml;tt term&eacute;szetesen az ellenfeleink lapjait&oacute;l, az eddig t&ouml;rt&eacute;ntekt&#337;l &eacute;s a k&ouml;z&ouml;s lapokt&oacute;l. Fontos, hogy tiszt&aacute;ban legy&uuml;nk a saj&aacute;t &eacute;s ellenfeleink stack mennyis&eacute;g&eacute;vel is. M&aacute;sk&eacute;pp kell j&aacute;tszanunk shortstack, midstack &eacute;s fullstack j&aacute;t&eacute;kosok ellen.<\/p>\n<p>Ha deep stackek vagyunk, t&ouml;bb mint 200BB-val, &eacute;s az ellenfel&uuml;nk is &iacute;gy &aacute;ll, alapvet&#337;en egy m&aacute;sik szitu&aacute;ci&oacute;ba ker&uuml;l&uuml;nk mintha mindkett&#337;nknek &bdquo;norm&aacute;l\" m&eacute;ret&#369; stack-je lenne. N&eacute;zz&uuml;nk p&aacute;r fontos dolgot:\n<\/p><\/div><p align=\"justify\">\n&nbsp;\n<\/p><div align=\"justify\">\n<ul>\n<li><b>Az ellenf&eacute;l<\/b><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><p align=\"justify\">\nAz ellenfeleink &eacute;rt&eacute;kel&eacute;se term&eacute;szetesen nagyon fontos. Nyilv&aacute;nval&oacute;, hogy az implik&aacute;lt es&eacute;ly&uuml;nk n&ouml;vekszik t&ouml;bb ellenf&eacute;l ellen, ami azt jelenti, hogy t&ouml;bb k&eacute;zzel is megadhatunk poz&iacute;ci&oacute;b&oacute;l, mintha norm&aacute;lis stack m&eacute;rettel j&aacute;tszan&aacute;nk. A gondolkod&oacute;bb, &eacute;sszer&#369;bb j&aacute;t&eacute;kosok ellen (LAG-ok &eacute;s TAG-ok), ne v&aacute;ltoztassunk a j&aacute;t&eacute;kunkon. Ha agressz&iacute;vebben j&aacute;tszunk meg jelent&eacute;ktelenebb kezeket &eacute;s ez&eacute;rt gyakoriak leszek r&eacute;sz&uuml;nkr&#337;l a 3betek, ilyenkor t&ouml;bbsz&ouml;r fogunk r&aacute; 4betet visszakapni. Lehet lehet&#337;s&eacute;g&uuml;nk a 4bet\/fold j&aacute;t&eacute;kra is, ez 100BB stack-el el&eacute;g ritka. A bl&ouml;ff 4betek jelent&#337;sen megn&ouml;velhetik a hasznot, de &oacute;vatosan kell &#337;ket kezelni. Akaratlanul is nagyobb potokban tal&aacute;lhatjuk magunkat, vagy ak&aacute;r fel kell adnunk a kezet\n<\/p><p align=\"justify\">\nTerm&eacute;szetesen k&eacute;sztet&eacute;st &eacute;rz&uuml;nk arra, hogy a megad&oacute;&aacute;llom&aacute;sok &eacute;s a rossz j&aacute;t&eacute;kosok ellen agressz&iacute;vebben j&aacute;tsszunk. R&eacute;szt akarunk venni az olyan nagyobb potokban, amelyek neh&eacute;z helyzetet jelenthetnek ellenfeleinknek. Rem&eacute;lj&uuml;k hogy a jobb, &uuml;gyesebb j&aacute;t&eacute;kunkkal nyerni fogunk vagy hogy az ellenf&eacute;l megijed &eacute;s m&eacute;g a jobb kezeit &eacute;s k&eacute;pes lesz eldobni. Nyom&aacute;st kell gyakorolnunk az ellenf&eacute;lre.\n<\/p><div align=\"justify\">\n<ul>\n<li><b>J&aacute;t&eacute;k a flop el&#337;tt<\/b><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><p align=\"justify\">\nAz egyik legfontosabb dolog, hogy minden aggodalom n&eacute;lk&uuml;l tudsz 3betelni, hogy &eacute;rt&eacute;ket nyerj, viszont jobban kell figyelned az implik&aacute;lt es&eacute;lyekre, mint norm&aacute;l stack m&eacute;retn&eacute;l.\n<\/p><p align=\"justify\">\nA k&eacute;rd&eacute;sesebb, gyeng&eacute;bb kezd&#337; kezekkel, p&eacute;ld&aacute;ul az egysz&iacute;n&#369; kapcsol&oacute;d&oacute; lapok, az egysz&iacute;n&#369; lyukas kapcsol&oacute;d&oacute;k, az egysz&iacute;n&#369; Ax, stb. lapokkal norm&aacute;lis esetben nem adunk meg preflop raise ut&aacute;n, pontos read n&eacute;lk&uuml;l. Ha van egy m&aacute;sik coldcaller el&#337;tt&uuml;nk, a poz&iacute;ci&oacute;s megad&aacute;sunk hasznot hoz&oacute; lehet, de legt&ouml;bbsz&ouml;r nem hasznos egy megad&aacute;s poz&iacute;ci&oacute;n k&iacute;v&uuml;l. Lehets&eacute;ges 3betelni poz&iacute;ci&oacute;ban, azonban ez az ellenf&eacute;lt&#337;l f&uuml;gg, mert el&eacute;g sokszor nyern&uuml;nk kell ezekkel a kezekkel 3bet-el preflop vagy folytat&oacute; nyit&aacute;ssal a flopon.\n<\/p><p align=\"justify\">\nEz egyszer&#369;en az implik&aacute;lt es&eacute;ly miatt van, mert igaz&aacute;n j&oacute;l ritk&aacute;n tal&aacute;l be minket az asztal. Ha az ellenf&eacute;lnek nagyon nagy stackje van, a v&aacute;rhat&oacute; profit persze n&ouml;vekszik, a flopra j&oacute;val j&ouml;vedelmez&#337;bben tudunk tekinteni.\n<\/p><p align=\"justify\">\nDe &oacute;vatosak kell lenn&uuml;nk, ha er&#337;s kezet tartunk preflop. Tiszt&aacute;ban kell lenn&uuml;nk azzal, hogy  j&oacute;val t&ouml;bb p&eacute;nz&eacute;rt j&aacute;tszunk a norm&aacute;l stackhez k&eacute;pest. &Aacute;ltal&aacute;ban all-in megy&uuml;nk KK-val preflop 100BB-al. Ugyanez vonatkozik a nagyon agressz&iacute;v j&aacute;t&eacute;kosok ellen az AK-ra &eacute;s a QQ-ra. Mindazon&aacute;ltal el kell gondolkodnunk, hogy t&eacute;nyleg all-int akarunk-e mondani ezekkel a kezekkel. A norm&aacute;lisn&aacute;l nagyobb stacket kock&aacute;ztatunk &eacute;s az ellenfel&uuml;nk is tudja ezt, &eacute;s feszesebb k&eacute;zsk&aacute;l&aacute;val j&aacute;tszik.<br>\nAz agressz&iacute;v j&aacute;t&eacute;kos szeret all-in menni preflop QQ-val, JJ-vel, de m&aacute;s a helyzet, ha t&ouml;bb mint 200BB-os stack&uuml;nk van. Egy feszes ellenf&eacute;l ellen, aki nem nagyon emel preflop, agg&oacute;dhatunk, ha 5-betel a mi KK 4bet&uuml;nkre. Ez egy standard all-in 100BB-&eacute;rt, de az ilyen szitu&aacute;ci&oacute;ban ak&aacute;r dobhatunk is, ugyanis a legt&ouml;bbsz&ouml;r &aacute;szokba futunk bele.\n<\/p><div align=\"justify\">\n<ul>\n<li><b>A variancia<\/b><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><p align=\"justify\">\nAmikor coinflip szitu&aacute;ci&oacute;kba ker&uuml;l&uuml;nk, nyilv&aacute;nval&oacute;an a variancia is n&ouml;vekszik. Kor&aacute;bban sz&oacute; esett r&oacute;la, hogy az ellenf&eacute;l akkor hajland&oacute; sokat befektetni potba, ha nagyon j&oacute; kezet tart. Emiatt a t&eacute;ny miatt &uacute;jra &aacute;t kell gondolni a standard l&eacute;p&eacute;seinket. Egy overp&aacute;r a flopon nem az, amibe automatikusan beleinveszt&aacute;ln&aacute;nk az eg&eacute;sz stack&uuml;nket, de lehet, hogy megtenn&eacute;nk ezt 100 BB-vel. Minden d&ouml;nt&eacute;s legal&aacute;bb k&eacute;tszer olyan dr&aacute;ga, mint azel&#337;tt, jobb, ha dobsz, ha nem vagy biztos a kezedben.\n<\/p><div align=\"justify\">\n<ul>\n<li><b>Bankellen&#337;rz&eacute;s, v&eacute;delem<\/b><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><p align=\"justify\">\nA bankellen&#337;rz&eacute;s term&eacute;szetesen sokkal fontosabb a v&eacute;delemn&eacute;l. Nem akarunk vesz&iacute;teni ilyen nagy stacket relat&iacute;v gyenge kezeket tartva, mint a top p&aacute;r, top kicker vagy egy overp&aacute;r. Ha sz&uuml;ks&eacute;ges, megengedhetj&uuml;k magunknak, hogy ingyen lapot adjunk vagy ak&aacute;r dobjunk egy vesz&eacute;lyesnek t&#369;n&#337; lapra a turn&ouml;n vagy a riveren. Itt persze igazodnunk kell a kez&uuml;nk &eacute;rt&eacute;k&eacute;hez. M&eacute;g akkor is, ha egy agressz&iacute;v ellenf&eacute;l gyakran szeret emelni h&uacute;z&oacute;val, k&ouml;nnyen elk&eacute;pzelhet&#337; hogy csak megad nagy stackkel abb&oacute;l a c&eacute;lb&oacute;l, hogy folytassa a j&aacute;t&eacute;kot &eacute;s a keze feljavuljon. Nem sz&iacute;vesen menn&eacute;l all-in t&ouml;bb mint 200BB-al egy h&uacute;z&oacute;ra.\n<\/p><div align=\"justify\">\n<ul>\n<li><b>Bl&ouml;ff<\/b><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><p align=\"justify\">\nAlapvet&#337;en a magasabb stack m&eacute;ret kevesebb bl&ouml;ffre kell, hogy k&eacute;sztessen. Kor&aacute;bban m&aacute;r sz&oacute;ba ker&uuml;lt, hogy az ellenf&eacute;l k&eacute;zsk&aacute;l&aacute;ja feszesebb lesz. A bl&ouml;ff&ouml;k ritk&aacute;bbak a nagyon nagy potokn&aacute;l, k&uuml;l&ouml;n&ouml;sen amikor a turn&ouml;n vagy, &eacute;s a pot jelent&#337;sen emelkedett. (A norm&aacute;l bl&ouml;ff emel&eacute;sek gyakoriak a flopon, persze akkor ha mindenki &aacute;ltal&aacute;nos l&eacute;p&eacute;seket csin&aacute;l.)\n<\/p><p align=\"justify\">\nGyakran akadnak olyan helyzetek, amikor h&aacute;tulr&oacute;l check-elsz a t&ouml;rn&ouml;n, az&eacute;rt hogy bl&ouml;ff&ouml;t induk&aacute;lj &eacute;s n&eacute;h&aacute;ny megad&aacute;st a riveren. K&uuml;l&ouml;n&ouml;sen a nagy stack-el k&eacute;tszer olyan &oacute;vatosnak kell lenned. Egyr&eacute;szt az emel&eacute;sek m&aacute;r nagyon nagyok, m&aacute;sr&eacute;szr&#337;l az ellenf&eacute;l kev&eacute;sb&eacute; &eacute;rez k&eacute;sztet&eacute;st arra, hogy nagyot bl&ouml;ff&ouml;lj&ouml;n.<br>\nItt a variancia megint megjelenik a j&aacute;t&eacute;kban, m&eacute;g akkor is, ha azt gondoljuk, hogy az ellenf&eacute;l k&eacute;pes all-in bl&ouml;ff&ouml;lni a riveren, mert mi kell&#337; gyenges&eacute;get mutattunk a h&aacute;tulr&oacute;l check-el&eacute;ssel a t&ouml;rn&ouml;n. Meg kell k&eacute;rdezn&uuml;nk magunkat, hogy t&eacute;nyleg &eacute;rdemes-e megadnunk 100BB+&eacute;rt.\n<\/p><div align=\"justify\">\n<ul>\n<li><b>A gyenges&eacute;g kihaszn&aacute;l&aacute;sa<\/b><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><p align=\"justify\">\nTerm&eacute;szetesen el kell gondolkodnunk azon, hogy mivel nagy stack&uuml;nk van, az agressz&iacute;v j&aacute;t&eacute;kkal kihaszn&aacute;ljuk az ellenf&eacute;l gyenges&eacute;g&eacute;t, bl&ouml;ff&ouml;lhet&uuml;nk preflop vagy a flopon.\n<\/p><p align=\"justify\">\nBl&ouml;ff check\/raise-t t&ouml;bbsz&ouml;r is j&aacute;tszhatunk a flopon, az&eacute;rt hogy azt gondolja, hogy a jelent&eacute;ktelenebb kezei nem el&eacute;g j&oacute;k ahhoz, hogy r&eacute;szt vegyen a nagyobb potokban. Itt lehet&#337;s&eacute;g&uuml;nk van r&aacute;, hogy jobb kezeket is dob&aacute;sra k&eacute;nyszer&iacute;ts&uuml;nk, amit 100BB eset&eacute;n nem tudn&aacute;nk megtenni.\n<\/p><div align=\"justify\">\n<ul>\n<li><b>Bl&ouml;ff 4bet - nagyobb kisz&aacute;ll&aacute;si r&eacute;szesed&eacute;s<\/b><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><p align=\"justify\">\nKi akarjuk haszn&aacute;lni az ellenfelek gyenges&eacute;g&eacute;t &eacute;s megpr&oacute;b&aacute;ljuk ki&uuml;tni &#337;ket a nagy potokb&oacute;l. Ezen k&iacute;v&uuml;l megpr&oacute;b&aacute;ljuk elker&uuml;lni a dr&aacute;ga d&ouml;nt&eacute;seket k&eacute;rd&eacute;ses kezekkel a turn&ouml;n. Eltekintve a m&aacute;r eml&iacute;tett agressz&iacute;v j&aacute;t&eacute;kt&oacute;l a flopon, k&ouml;nnyen 4betelhet&uuml;nk gyenge kezekkel preflop id&#337;nk&eacute;nt. J&aacute;tszhatunk 4bet\/foldot jelent&eacute;ktelenebb kezekkel is, k&uuml;l&ouml;n&ouml;sen LAG-ok ellen, akik emelnek &eacute;s 3betelnek preflop, az ellenfel&uuml;nk sokszor fogja eldobni a jobb kez&eacute;t is. J&oacute; olvas&aacute;ssal mindig 4betelhetsz gyeng&eacute;bb k&eacute;zzel, pl. 56s-sel &eacute;s amikor benyomja a 200BB+ stackj&eacute;t, k&ouml;nnyen eldobhatjuk mert csak er&#337;s kezekkel mond all-int. Magas a kisz&aacute;ll&aacute;si r&eacute;szesed&eacute;s, mert neh&eacute;z az ellenf&eacute;lnek megadni egy 4betet, de csak p&aacute;r olyan keze van (a 3bet k&eacute;zsk&aacute;l&aacute;j&aacute;b&oacute;l), amit eldobna az all-inra.\n<\/p><p align=\"justify\">\n&nbsp;\n<\/p><p align=\"justify\">\n<b>&Ouml;sszegz&eacute;s<\/b>\n<\/p><p align=\"justify\">\n<br>\n&Oacute;vatosnak kell lenn&uuml;nk, amikor 200BB+ stack&uuml;nk van &eacute;s hasonl&oacute; zsetonmennyis&eacute;ggel rendelkez&#337; j&aacute;t&eacute;kosokkal tal&aacute;lkozunk. Tudnunk kell pontosan, hogy kivel j&aacute;tszunk, a pontos read rendk&iacute;v&uuml;l fontoss&aacute; v&aacute;lik. R&eacute;sztvehet&uuml;nk a dr&aacute;g&aacute;bb potokban is k&eacute;rd&eacute;sesebb kezekkel.\n<\/p><p align=\"justify\">\nA j&oacute; ter&iacute;t&eacute;si &eacute;rt&eacute;kkel rendelkez&#337; kezeket river ut&aacute;n kell megj&aacute;tszani, ha eljutunk od&aacute;ig olcs&oacute;n. A bank ellen&#337;rz&eacute;s a legt&ouml;bbsz&ouml;r fontosabb a v&eacute;delemn&eacute;l, ink&aacute;bb adjunk ingyen lapot &eacute;s dobjuk a kedvez&#337;tlen lapokat, minthogy rengeteg p&eacute;nzt k&ouml;lts&uuml;nk v&eacute;delemre.\n<\/p><p align=\"justify\">\nA bl&ouml;ff&ouml;k kev&eacute;sb&eacute; gyakoriak a turn&ouml;n, amikor a h&iacute;v&aacute;sok &eacute;s emel&eacute;sek nagyon megn&#337;hetnek. Viszont haszn&aacute;lhatjuk a nagy stack&uuml;nket el&#337;ny&uuml;nkre, &eacute;s megpr&oacute;b&aacute;lhatjuk ellenfel&uuml;nket ki&uuml;tni a k&eacute;zb&#337;l preflop 4betel&eacute;ssel &eacute;s bl&ouml;ff check\/raise-el is a flopon. Ez csak akkor aj&aacute;nlott, ha j&oacute;l tudtuk olvasni az ellenfel&uuml;nk j&aacute;t&eacute;k&aacute;t.\n<\/p><p align=\"justify\">\nHa egy kritikus helyzetben tal&aacute;ljuk magunkat &eacute;s nem vagyunk k&eacute;pesek megfelel&#337;en meg&iacute;t&eacute;lni lapjainkat, m&eacute;g mindig j&oacute;val j&ouml;vedelmez&#337;bb, ha eldobjuk a kez&uuml;nket ha ilyen nagy zsetonmennyis&eacute;g&uuml;nk van.\n<\/p><p>\n<span class=\"ltxt\"><span class=\"btxt\"><span class=\"btxt\"><b>&raquo;<\/b> <\/span><\/span><\/span><a href=\"\/forum\/thread.php?threadid=1878\" target=\"_blank\"><span class=\"ltxt\"><span class=\"btxt\"><span class=\"btxt\"><b>Hozz&aacute;sz&oacute;l&aacute;sok &eacute;s v&eacute;lem&eacute;nyek<\/b><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/a>\n<\/p><p>\n&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ma p\u00c3\u00a1r gondolatot olvashattok arr\u00c3\u00b3l, hogy mi t\u00c3\u00b6rt\u00c3\u00a9nik, ha deep stack-ek vagyunk, t\u00c3\u00b6bb mint 200BB-vel.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":821,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"inline_featured_image":false,"_lmt_disableupdate":"","_lmt_disable":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-820","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-content"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.2 - 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