	{"id":20164,"date":"2009-11-27T08:50:00","date_gmt":"2009-11-27T08:50:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/hu\/strategy\/505\/"},"modified":"2026-06-09T08:13:46","modified_gmt":"2026-06-09T08:13:46","slug":"505","status":"publish","type":"strategy","link":"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/hu\/strategy\/weekly-fixed-limit\/505\/","title":{"rendered":"Rossz helyzetben f\u00e9lbl\u00f6ff\u00f6lni"},"content":{"rendered":"<?xml encoding=\"utf-8\" ?><h1>Rossz helyzetben f&eacute;lbl&ouml;ff&ouml;lni<\/h1><table width=\"100%\" border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border-bottom: 0px solid #ffffff\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/download\/psmag\/bilder\/bild_kolumne.jpg\" width=\"100%\">\n\t\t\t<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"psMagtablehead1\">\n\t\t\t&raquo; FIXED LIMIT<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table><h1 style=\"color: #d5002d;margin-top: 24px;margin-bottom: 6px;padding-bottom: 0pt\" align=\"left\">Rossz helyzetben f&eacute;lbl&ouml;ff&ouml;lni<\/h1><div align=\"left\">\n<\/div><p style=\"margin: 0pt;padding: 0pt 0pt 18px\" align=\"left\">\n<i>K&eacute;sz&iacute;tette: bigdevv<\/i>\n<\/p><div align=\"left\">\n<\/div><p align=\"justify\">\nEz&uacute;ttal egy f&eacute;lbl&ouml;ffel foglalkozunk a turn&ouml;n egy er&#337;s h&uacute;z&oacute;val. Megpr&oacute;b&aacute;lom elmagyar&aacute;zni, hogy mi&eacute;rt helytelen ez a f&eacute;lbl&ouml;ff.\n<\/p><h1 style=\"color: #d5002d;margin-top: 24px;margin-bottom: 6px;padding-bottom: 0pt\" align=\"left\">P&eacute;ldak&eacute;z<\/h1><p>Party Poker 20\/40 Hold'em (6 handed) <\/p><p><b>Preflop:<\/b> Hero is Button with <b>8<\/b><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/smileys\/diamond.png\">, <b>7<\/b><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/smileys\/diamond.png\">. <br>\n<span style=\"color: #666666\">3 folds<\/span>, <span style=\"color: #cc3333\">Hero raises<\/span>, <span style=\"color: #666666\">1 fold<\/span>, <span style=\"color: #cc3333\">BB 3-bets<\/span>, Hero calls.<\/p><p><b>Flop:<\/b> (6.50 SB) <b>4<\/b><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/smileys\/spade.png\">, <b>2<\/b><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/smileys\/diamond.png\">, <b>5<\/b><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/smileys\/diamond.png\"> <span style=\"color: #0000ff\">(2 players)<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #cc3333\">BB bets<\/span>, Hero calls.<\/p><p><b>Turn:<\/b> (4.25 BB) <b>3<\/b><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/smileys\/spade.png\"> <span style=\"color: #0000ff\">(2 players)<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #cc3333\">BB bets<\/span>, <span style=\"color: #cc3333\">Hero raises<\/span>, BB calls.<\/p><p><b>River:<\/b> (8.25 BB) <b>6<\/b><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/smileys\/heart.png\"> <span style=\"color: #0000ff\">(2 players)<\/span><br>\nBB checks, <span style=\"color: #cc3333\">Hero bets<\/span>, BB calls.<\/p><p><b>Final Pot:<\/b> 10.25 BB<\/p><p>Az al&aacute;bbi leoszt&aacute;s rengeteg hozz&aacute;sz&oacute;l&aacute;st sz&uuml;lt a n&eacute;met f&oacute;rumban. A legt&ouml;bben azon a v&eacute;lem&eacute;nyen voltak, hogy itt a turn&ouml;n az emel&eacute;s mindenk&eacute;ppen helyes l&eacute;p&eacute;s. Most megpr&oacute;b&aacute;lom megvil&aacute;g&iacute;tani, hogy a l&aacute;tszat ellen&eacute;re szerintem mi&eacute;rt nem helyes ez a f&eacute;lbl&ouml;ff emel&eacute;s.<\/p><p>\n<br>\nA k&eacute;zsk&aacute;l&aacute;m a BU vs. BB csat&aacute;ban el&eacute;g feszes, &eacute;s ahelyett, hogy preflop t&ouml;bb k&eacute;zzel 3-beteln&eacute;k, ink&aacute;bb&nbsp;postflop alkalmazok move-ot - olyan kezekkel, amelyekn&eacute;l r&eacute;szesed&eacute;sel&#337;nyt adok magamnak, ilyenek pl. KT+, QT+, JT+. Ezekkel checkraise-t csin&aacute;lok a flopon, mivel nagyobb kisz&aacute;ll&aacute;si r&eacute;szesed&eacute;st adok magamnak a k&eacute;s&#337;bbi t&eacute;tk&ouml;r&ouml;kben a kis pot miatt. El&eacute;g&nbsp;feszes a k&eacute;zsk&aacute;l&aacute;m, hogy kiindulhassunk abb&oacute;l, hogy miut&aacute;n 3-beteltem egy TAG j&aacute;t&eacute;kost a flop el&#337;tt, m&aacute;r biztosra veheti, hogy elmegyek a k&eacute;zzel a ter&iacute;t&eacute;sig. <\/p><p>Ennek megfelel&#337;en ijeszt&#337; asztalokon sem dobom el a lapjaimat, mivel adhatok magamnak j&oacute;kat &eacute;s es&eacute;lyt arra, hogy el&ouml;l &aacute;llok, ez&eacute;rt rendszerint mindig l&aacute;tni fogom a rivert. Emiatt kiesik a move, mivel egy 5.25 BB-s potban 3 BB-t fektett&uuml;nk be a f&eacute;lbl&ouml;ff&eacute;rt&nbsp; - felt&eacute;telezem egyik&#337;t&ouml;k sem fog &ouml;nsz&aacute;nt&aacute;b&oacute;l a riveren nyolcas magas k&eacute;zzel javulatlanul &nbsp;h&aacute;tulr&oacute;l passzolni &eacute;s&nbsp;rem&eacute;nykedni, hogy a m&aacute;sikn&aacute;l ugyanez a k&eacute;z van - ami az esetek csak 25%-&aacute;ban fog betal&aacute;lni &eacute;s a marad&eacute;k 75%-ban nagy val&oacute;sz&iacute;n&#369;s&eacute;ggel elaj&aacute;nd&eacute;koztatok 3 BB-t egy t&ouml;bb&eacute;-kev&eacute;sb&eacute; rem&eacute;nytelen bl&ouml;ffel.<\/p><p>Megfogalmaz&oacute;dik a k&eacute;rd&eacute;s, hogy alapvet&#337;en milyen kezek dobn&aacute;nak. F&#337;leg a High Stakes limiteken&nbsp;kell gyakorlottnak lenni &eacute;s a kem&eacute;ny kisz&aacute;ll&aacute;sokat elker&uuml;lni, hogy ne v&aacute;ljunk k&ouml;nnyen kizs&aacute;km&aacute;nyolhat&oacute;v&aacute; a nagyobb potokn&aacute;l. Ennek megfelel&#337;en ritk&aacute;n tal&aacute;lkoztok majd j&aacute;t&eacute;kosokkal olyan helyzetben, ahol 4-kapcsol&oacute;d&oacute; asztalon bet\/foldolnak, az esetek majdnem 100%-&aacute;ban vagy c\/c vagy b\/c j&aacute;t&eacute;kot fogtok l&aacute;tni t&#337;l&uuml;k,&nbsp;hogy a fent eml&iacute;tett kizs&aacute;km&aacute;nyol&aacute;st elker&uuml;lj&eacute;k.<\/p><p>Ahogy Stoxtrader is m&aacute;r eml&iacute;tette a k&ouml;nyv&eacute;ben, n&eacute;h&aacute;ny helyzetben nyeres&eacute;gesebb b\/c-t alkalmazni c\/c helyett &eacute;s ez pont egy ilyen helyzet!<\/p><p>&Oacute;vakodn&eacute;k j&oacute; zsebp&aacute;rokkal c\/c-t j&aacute;tszani, mert a hossz&uacute; t&aacute;von t&uacute;l sok &eacute;rt&eacute;ket veszten&eacute;k el gyeng&eacute;bb kezekkel szemben, amik m&eacute;g adnak maguknak j&oacute;t &eacute;s legal&aacute;bb a riverig megadnak.<\/p><p>Ugyan&uacute;gy nem akarok egy am&uacute;gy is ijeszt&#337; asztalon m&eacute;g ingyen lapot kiosztani, ahol legt&ouml;bbsz&ouml;r lehet 8 j&oacute;ja a split potra egy felt&eacute;telezett nagy potn&aacute;l.<\/p><p><b>Hogyan j&aacute;tszan&eacute;k itt kir&aacute;ly magas kezekkel?<\/b><\/p><p>Egyr&eacute;szt term&eacute;szetesen&nbsp;ez a gameflow-t&oacute;l f&uuml;gg, ami azt jelenti, hogy hogyan j&aacute;tszottam meg az utols&oacute; &eacute;s az el&#337;z&#337; kezeket ellene &eacute;s m&aacute;sokkal szemben, &eacute;s &aacute;ltal&aacute;noss&aacute;gban hogyan alakul az asztal. Mivel m&aacute;r megszoktam, hogy olyanok ellen j&aacute;tszom, akik sz&iacute;vesen bl&ouml;ff&ouml;lnek, ez&eacute;rt &aacute;ltal&aacute;noss&aacute;gban a turn&ouml;n el&#337;sz&ouml;r c\/c-t j&aacute;tszan&eacute;k KQ k&eacute;zzel, hogy megn&eacute;zzem a rivert, mert kiindulhatok abb&oacute;l, hogy az ellenfelemn&eacute;l legt&ouml;bbsz&ouml;r nincsen &aacute;sz.<\/p><p>V&eacute;geredm&eacute;nyben &uacute;gy gondolom, hogy egy dupla nyit&aacute;s, illetve nyit&aacute;s a riveren egy passzol&aacute;s eset&eacute;n t&ouml;bb kisz&aacute;ll&aacute;si r&eacute;szesed&eacute;st gener&aacute;l, mint egy bl&ouml;ff emel&eacute;s a turn&ouml;n, amelynek kev&eacute;sb&eacute; adok hitelt, mint egy felt&eacute;telezett river &eacute;rt&eacute;k&eacute;rt nyit&aacute;snak az er&#337;s kezemmel szemben.<\/p><p>Az ellenv&eacute;lem&eacute;nyt, miszerint K magassal nyitnom kellene a turn&ouml;n, hogy jobb kezekkel (zsebp&aacute;rok) dobassak, azzal c&aacute;foln&aacute;m meg, hogy kiindulhatok abb&oacute;l, hogy itt nagyon gyakran emeln&eacute;tek a flopon k&ouml;zepesen er&#337;s zsebp&aacute;rokkal, mert f&eacute;ln&eacute;tek a turn 3-bett&#337;l, amire az asztalt&nbsp;figyelembe v&eacute;ve csak nagyon nehezen tudn&aacute;tok kisz&aacute;llni. Sokszor elegend&#337; j&oacute;tok van, hogy megadj&aacute;tok a 3-betet, hogy azt&aacute;n javulatlanul kisz&aacute;lljatok a riveren.<\/p><p>K&eacute;pesnek kell lennetek egy ilyen 10,25 BB potb&oacute;l kisz&aacute;llni a riveren egy nyit&aacute;sra, ami az adott, valamint az azt k&ouml;vet&#337; kezekben nagyon kem&eacute;ny helyzeteket eredm&eacute;nyezhet, ha &eacute;szreveszi az ellenf&eacute;l. Ha kiindulhat abb&oacute;l, hogy kisz&aacute;lltok a riveren javulatlanul, akkor ezut&aacute;n elkezdene a h&uacute;z&oacute;ival a turn&ouml;n 3-betelni,&nbsp;an&eacute;lk&uuml;l hogy nagyon javulnia kellene.\n<\/p><p align=\"justify\">\n&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ez\u00fattal egy f\u00e9lbl\u00f6ffel foglalkozunk a turn\u00f6n egy er\u0151s h\u00faz\u00f3val. 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