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[Coaching] - Postflop: Hero IP da preflop aggressor

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katewalker1
Joined: 05.11.2010

Ciao ragazzi, per quanto riguarda il coaching BSS BASIC, nelle prossime settimane ci attende qualche approfondimento sul gioco postflop.

Cominciamo dalla situazione più comune, quando Hero raisa preflop, viene chiamato dai blinds e si trova a giocare il postflop IP e con il vantaggio dell'iniziativa.
Giusto un po' di teoria, poi spazio all'analisi delle mani e ai vostri dubbi riguardo l'argomento, potete iniziare a postare qua.
A giovedì, ore 21.00 ;)


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katewalker1
Joined: 05.11.2010

Mbé? Me la devo cantare e suonare da solo? :D
Qualche mano vedo di pescarla, ma se postate mani su cui avete avuto difficoltà sia in game che in review sicuramente sarà meglio per voi :)
Anyway, a stasera ;)


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odinteatret
Joined: 30.04.2011

posto un po' di mani x stasera sperando di arrivare puntuale al coaching :-)

OnGame - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 83.8 BB (VPIP: 33.13, PFR: 17.60, 3Bet Preflop: 5.45, Hands: 490)
Hero (BTN): 131.6 BB
SB: 109 BB (VPIP: 48.85, PFR: 7.62, 3Bet Preflop: 5.10, Hands: 574)
BB: 94.4 BB (VPIP: 35.66, PFR: 15.07, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 273)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9♥ 9♣

CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, BB calls 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB

Flop: (12.4 BB, 3 players) 8♦ T♠ 2♠
BB checks, CO bets 2.8 BB, Hero calls 2.8 BB, fold

Turn: (18 BB, 2 players) 7♣
CO bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

River: (26 BB, 2 players) 2♣
CO checks, Hero checks

Spoiler

CO shows 8♠ K♠ (Two Pair, Eights and Twos) (Pre 32%, Flop 52%, Turn 32%)
Hero shows 9♥ 9♣ (Two Pair, Nines and Twos) (Pre 68%, Flop 48%, Turn 68%)
Hero wins 24.4 BB


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odinteatret
Joined: 30.04.2011

seconda mano contro reg nit/tag

OnGame - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 39 BB (VPIP: 27.08, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 330)
BB: 116.2 BB (VPIP: 16.41, PFR: 13.12, 3Bet Preflop: 5.39, Hands: 3,344)
UTG: 69.2 BB (VPIP: 41.81, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 1.85, Hands: 994)
MP: 92.4 BB (VPIP: 27.72, PFR: 7.92, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 108)
CO: 52 BB (VPIP: 46.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
Hero (BTN): 176 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♦ K♠

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.4 BB, 2 players) K♣ T♥ 3♠
BB bets 4.8 BB, Hero calls 4.8 BB

Turn: (16 BB, 2 players) 6♦
BB bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

River: (40 BB, 2 players) K♦
BB bets 30 BB, Hero calls 30 BB

Spoiler

BB shows A♥ J♣ (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 26%, Flop 17%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows A♦ K♠ (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 74%, Flop 83%, Turn 91%)
Hero wins 93.8 BB


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odinteatret
Joined: 30.04.2011

contro fish, il mio dubbio è al river data la dimensione della sua donkbet e il suo range moooolto ampio

OnGame - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 102 BB
BTN: 189.4 BB (VPIP: 23.99, PFR: 17.04, 3Bet Preflop: 6.15, Hands: 455)
SB: 35.8 BB (VPIP: 51.18, PFR: 4.46, 3Bet Preflop: 1.74, Hands: 780)
BB: 92.6 BB (VPIP: 13.54, PFR: 9.39, 3Bet Preflop: 1.80, Hands: 490)
UTG: 211.8 BB (VPIP: 53.66, PFR: 8.94, 3Bet Preflop: 7.27, Hands: 123)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♦ K♣

UTG calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 2 BB

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players) 7♠ 6♥ 4♥
UTG checks, Hero bets 5.2 BB, UTG calls 5.2 BB

Turn: (17.8 BB, 2 players) J♦
UTG checks, Hero bets 12.4 BB, UTG calls 12.4 BB

River: (42.6 BB, 2 players) Q♠
UTG bets 42.6 BB, Hero calls 42.6 BB

Spoiler

Hero shows K♦ K♣ (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 83%, Flop 66%, Turn 82%)
UTG shows 9♣ 8♦ (High Card, Queen) (Pre 17%, Flop 34%, Turn 18%)
Hero wins 120 BB


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odinteatret
Joined: 30.04.2011

mano penso giocata male contro fish, avrei dovuto bettare turn penso, as played forse miniraise River x thin value? o va bene il call in caso di Ax migliori?

OnGame - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 124.6 BB
SB: 103.2 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BB: 101.6 BB (VPIP: 31.35, PFR: 19.55, 3Bet Preflop: 3.68, Hands: 551)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 9.00, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 103)
CO: 112.6 BB (VPIP: 26.56, PFR: 14.62, 3Bet Preflop: 1.89, Hands: 5,348)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♠ 7♣

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) A♦ Q♦ 3♥
SB checks, Hero bets 4.4 BB, SB calls 4.4 BB

Turn: (15.8 BB, 2 players) 4♦
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (15.8 BB, 2 players) 8♣
SB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Spoiler

Hero shows A♠ 7♣ (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 57%, Flop 76%, Turn 68%)
SB shows K♦ Q♥ (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 43%, Flop 24%, Turn 32%)
Hero wins 22.4 BB


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odinteatret
Joined: 30.04.2011

io contro le donk ho probelemi :-)

contro fish non so mai che range dargli di donbet, avrei dovuto reisare al flop x valore? una volta che chiama al mio reraise al turn al river callo per pot control anche perchè non so con che cosa mi chiama che batto ancora.

OnGame - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 122.8 BB (VPIP: 18.64, PFR: 14.76, 3Bet Preflop: 4.50, Hands: 1,731)
BB: 112.4 BB (VPIP: 14.14, PFR: 12.82, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 1,552)
CO: 98.4 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 16.26, 3Bet Preflop: 1.27, Hands: 207)
Hero (BTN): 127.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♠ J♠

CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 3 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 2 players) 8♦ T♠ Q♣
CO bets 3.6 BB, Hero calls 3.6 BB

Turn: (16.6 BB, 2 players) 4♦
CO bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 10.4 BB, CO calls 9.4 BB

River: (37.4 BB, 2 players) 8♥
CO bets 2.8 BB, Hero calls 2.8 BB

Spoiler

CO shows 7♥ J♦ (One Pair, Eights) (Pre 23%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows Q♠ J♠ (Two Pair, Queens and Eights) (Pre 77%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 40.4 BB


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odinteatret
Joined: 30.04.2011

qua il mio dubbio è, al riv se betto vengo chiamato solo da mani che mi battono? in game pensavo di si, mentre al turn ho pensato che c'era ancora del value da estrarre.

OnGame - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 169.2 BB (VPIP: 17.17, PFR: 14.13, 3Bet Preflop: 9.14, Hands: 565)
CO: 51.4 BB (VPIP: 40.96, PFR: 23.27, 3Bet Preflop: 4.46, Hands: 695)
Hero (BTN): 99.6 BB
SB: 224.4 BB (VPIP: 20.12, PFR: 10.57, 3Bet Preflop: 4.44, Hands: 335)
BB: 37 BB (VPIP: 67.74, PFR: 20.97, 3Bet Preflop: 16.00, Hands: 62)
UTG: 57.8 BB (VPIP: 59.70, PFR: 13.43, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 67)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♣ A♦

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, BB calls 3 BB, UTG calls 3 BB

Flop: (12.4 BB, 3 players) J♦ 5♣ Q♦
BB checks, UTG bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 9.2 BB, fold, UTG calls 8.2 BB

Turn: (30.8 BB, 2 players) K♥
UTG checks, Hero bets 15.6 BB, UTG calls 15.6 BB

River: (62 BB, 2 players) 6♦
UTG checks, Hero checks

Spoiler

Hero shows Q♣ A♦ (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 59%, Flop 79%, Turn 80%)
UTG shows T♥ J♥ (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 41%, Flop 21%, Turn 20%)
Hero wins 58.2 BB


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odinteatret
Joined: 30.04.2011

come avete capito ho problemi con le donk da aggr IP:
qui contro il fiche ceh mi donka pot al flop è meglio metterle tutte il prima possibile al flop reraisando? il problema è che non so se facendolo mi folda le varie PP o se è capace di metterle tutte con Qx oppure riesce a trovare il tasto fold

OnGame - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 107 BB
SB: 162 BB (VPIP: 19.36, PFR: 15.49, 3Bet Preflop: 6.30, Hands: 448)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.82, PFR: 15.01, 3Bet Preflop: 4.62, Hands: 964)
UTG: 160 BB (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 9.02, 3Bet Preflop: 1.94, Hands: 687)
MP: 95 BB (VPIP: 34.60, PFR: 6.83, 3Bet Preflop: 4.44, Hands: 376)
CO: 207.4 BB (VPIP: 38.24, PFR: 5.36, 3Bet Preflop: 1.23, Hands: 536)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 3♥ 4♥

fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 3 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 2 players) 3♠ Q♦ 3♣
MP bets 9.4 BB, Hero calls 9.4 BB

Turn: (28.2 BB, 2 players) 5♣
MP bets 6 BB, Hero raises to 36 BB, MP calls 30 BB

River: (100.2 BB, 2 players) J♠
MP bets 45.6 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 45.6 BB

Spoiler

Hero shows 3♥ 4♥ (Three of a Kind, Threes) (Pre 40%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
MP shows Q♠ J♣ (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks) (Pre 60%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 179.6 BB


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odinteatret
Joined: 30.04.2011

ultima mano, contro fish aggro reg (nel senso un fish che gioca regolarmente :-))

il mio dubbio è al turn, nel suo range di c/r e bet turn ci ho messo non solo flush e 7x ma anche Tx con un spade giusto oppure è un call troppo spewy?

OnGame - €0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 96.2 BB (VPIP: 33.31, PFR: 16.85, 3Bet Preflop: 4.86, Hands: 6,641)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 12.77, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 97)
Hero (CO): 215.6 BB
BTN: 97.2 BB (VPIP: 19.81, PFR: 13.38, 3Bet Preflop: 5.78, Hands: 624)
SB: 201.6 BB (VPIP: 28.65, PFR: 19.46, 3Bet Preflop: 3.17, Hands: 190)
BB: 74.6 BB (VPIP: 33.66, PFR: 4.03, 3Bet Preflop: 0.54, Hands: 1,767)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♥ K♠

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 3 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 2 players) 7♠ T♠ 7♣
UTG checks, Hero bets 6.4 BB, UTG raises to 12.8 BB, Hero raises to 39.2 BB, UTG calls 26.4 BB

Turn: (87.8 BB, 2 players) A♠
UTG bets 53 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 53 BB

River: (193.8 BB, 2 players) 2♥

Spoiler

UTG shows T♥ Q♣ (Two Pair, Tens and Sevens) (Pre 14%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows K♥ K♠ (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens) (Pre 86%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 181.8 BB


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THAIX
Joined: 19.03.2013

sono un fish :facepalm:

oppo sconosciuto.....solo 9 mani

IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $2.11 (105.5 bb)
SB: $0.93 (46.5 bb)
BB: $2.04 (102 bb)
Hero (UTG): $1.47 (73.5 bb)
MP: $2.18 (109 bb)
CO: $2.36 (118 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K A
Hero raises to $0.08, 4 folds, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.17) 4 8 J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.08, BB calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.33) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.33) A (2 players)
BB bets $0.12, Hero raises to $1.31 and is all-in, BB calls $1.19

Results:

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$2.95 pot ($0.19 rake)
Final Board: 4 8 J 5 A
BTN showed and lostBB showed A 8 and won $2.76 ($1.29 net)
Hero mucked K A and lost (-$1.47 net)


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