	{"id":18531,"date":"2011-09-24T12:30:00","date_gmt":"2011-09-24T12:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/pl\/rozmawiamy-na-temat-umow-red-pro-z-agentem-pokerowym-nickiem-ferro\/"},"modified":"2026-03-03T07:39:42","modified_gmt":"2026-03-03T07:39:42","slug":"rozmawiamy-na-temat-umow-red-pro-z-agentem-pokerowym-nickiem-ferro","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/pl\/news\/world-of-poker\/Rozmawiamy-na-temat-um%C3%B3w-Red-Pro-z-agentem-pokerowym-Nickiem-Ferro_51950\/","title":{"rendered":"Rozmawiamy na temat um\u00f3w Red Pro z agentem pokerowym Nickiem Ferro"},"content":{"rendered":"<?xml encoding=\"utf-8\" ?><table border=\"0\" align=\"right\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/2011\/09\/23\/full_tilt_team.jpg\" alt=\"Team Full Tilt\" width=\"301\" height=\"200\" align=\"right\" style=\"margin-left: 12px;margin-bottom: 6px\"><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: center\"><em><span style=\"color: #888888\">Team Full Tilt<br>&nbsp;<\/span><\/em><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table><p>Ze wzgl&#281;du na ostatnie, niezbyt przyjemne wie&#347;ci, kt&oacute;re us&#322;yszeli&#347;my w sprawie Full Tilt Poker, wielu 'Red Pros&oacute;w' nabra&#322;o wody w usta, nie chc&#261;c wypowiada&#263; si&#281; w tych sprawach. <\/p><p>W tym tygodniu jednak uda&#322;o nam si&#281; z&#322;apa&#263; Nicka Ferro, agenta pokerowego z firmy <a href=\"https:\/\/www.checkraisemanagement.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Check Raise Management<\/a>, kt&oacute;ry negocjowa&#322; warunki kontrakt&oacute;w wielu graczy Red Pro. Jego klientami byli mi&#281;dzy innymi James Bord, Andrew Feldman, Sammy George oraz Roberto Romanello. <\/p><p>Ferro podzieli&#322; si&#281; z nami swoimi przemy&#347;leniami na temat zarz&#261;dzania w Full Tilt Poker oraz pog&#322;osek otaczaj&#261;cych skompromitowany poker room:<\/p><h2 class=\"western\">\"Spodziewa&#322;em si&#281; kontrakt&oacute;w i d&#322;ugich spotka&#324;, ale tak nigdy nie by&#322;o.\"<\/h2><p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/Editorial\/elements\/ps_design_mark_gray.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" width=\"17\" height=\"12\" align=\"BOTTOM\"> <strong>PokerStrategy.com: <\/strong>Wi&#281;kszo&#347;&#263; ludzi postrzega negocjacje kontraktu mi&#281;dzy du&#380;ym poker roomem, a graczem oraz jego agentem jako w pe&#322;ni legaln&#261; transakcj&#281; z oficjalnymi umowami i prawnikami. Jak to wygl&#261;da&#322;o w przypadku Full Tilt Poker?<\/p><p><strong>Nick Ferro:<\/strong> Nie do ko&#324;ca tak, oni operowali bardziej jak rodzina i podpisywali umowy z Red Pro bazuj&#261;c na rekomendacjach. Gdy po raz pierwszy dobija&#322;em z nimi targu, spodziewa&#322;em si&#281;  kontrakt&oacute;w oraz d&#322;ugich spotka&#324;, ale tak nigdy nie by&#322;o, wi&#281;kszo&#347;&#263; negocjacji by&#322;a prowadzona drog&#261; mailow&#261;. Ze wzgl&#281;du na to, moje do&#347;wiadczenie pochodzi z profesjonalnego podej&#347;cia w innej dziedzinie, wydawa&#322;o mi si&#281; to bardzo dziwne. <\/p><p>Powodem takiego podej&#347;cia do sprawy by&#322;o to, &#380;e jak sami m&oacute;wili, pracuj&#261; wy&#322;&#261;cznie z lud&#378;mi, kt&oacute;rym ufaj&#261; i byli nastawion&#261; bardzo rodzinnie firm&#261; &ndash; je&#380;eli raz wyst&#261;pi&#322;by&#347; przed szereg, w&oacute;wczas tracisz zaufanie. To by&#322;o bardziej jak gang, grupa podobnie my&#347;l&#261;cych indywidualno&#347;ci. Je&#380;eli by&#322;e&#347; r&oacute;wnym kolesiem, koleg&#261; kolegi oraz utalentowanym graczem, to by&#322;o to.  <\/p><p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/Editorial\/elements\/ps_design_mark_gray.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" width=\"17\" height=\"12\" align=\"BOTTOM\"> <strong>PokerStrategy.com: <\/strong>Czy patrz&#261;c z perspektywy czasu, nie my&#347;li pan, &#380;e by&#322;o to ograniczenie przep&#322;ywu papier&oacute;w? <\/p><p><strong>Nick Ferro:<\/strong> Brak papierkowej roboty, wydawa&#322; mi si&#281; w&oacute;wczas bardzo dobry. B&#281;d&#261;c tak&#261; firm&#261;, jak&#261; byli oni, nie martwisz si&#281; tym zupe&#322;nie. Zawsze dostajesz pieni&#261;dze na czas, oni byli bardzo hojni i bardzo uczciwi. Z naszego punktu widzenia, wygl&#261;da&#322;o to tak, jak &bdquo;r&oacute;bcie co chcecie&rdquo;. <\/p><p>My&#347;l&#281;, &#380;e je&#380;eli chodzi o najwi&#281;ksze kontrakty, to musieli tam by&#263; ju&#380; prawnicy z oficjalnymi umowami, jednak&#380;e je&#380;eli gracz zosta&#322; z&#322;apany z ulicy i dostawa&#322; 250 000 $ rocznie lub 100% rakebacku, w&oacute;wczas nie mia&#322; &#380;adnych w&#261;tpliwo&#347;ci. Je&#380;eli oni chcieliby zawrze&#263; bardzo szybki deal, to nie mog&#322;e&#347; zadawa&#263; pyta&#324;, wiedzia&#322;e&#347; bowiem, &#380;e to bardzo bogata organizacja, kt&oacute;ra obraca milionami dolar&oacute;w dziennie.  <\/p><p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/Editorial\/elements\/ps_design_mark_gray.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" width=\"17\" height=\"12\" align=\"BOTTOM\"> <strong>PokerStrategy.com: <\/strong>Full Tilt Poker mia&#322; najwi&#281;ksz&#261; rzesz&#281; sponsorowanych graczy, oko&#322;o 250 os&oacute;b tu&#380; przed Czarnym Pi&#261;tkiem. Nie mia&#322;e&#347; w&#261;tpliwo&#347;ci, czy zdo&#322;aj&#261; ich utrzyma&#263; przy takim poziomie wynagrodzenia? <\/p><p><strong>Nick Ferro:<\/strong> Wi&#281;kszo&#347;&#263; ludzi wie, &#380;e standardowy uk&#322;ad Red Pro zawiera&#322; 100% rakebacku oraz 30 $ za godzin&#281;. Poza tym, gracze dostawali spor&#261; zach&#281;t&#281; do reklamowania marki i bycia widocznymi. Przyk&#322;adowo, mog&#322;e&#347; spodziewa&#263; si&#281; 3000 $ - 5000 $ za ka&#380;dy odcinek programu telewizyjnego, w kt&oacute;rym mia&#322;e&#347; na sobie logo FTP. <\/p><p>Wi&#281;kszo&#347;&#263; graczy mia&#322;a zakontraktowane minimum 10 godzin gry w tygodniu przy stolikach.  Rzecz&#261;, kt&oacute;ra zawsze mnie zaskakiwa&#322;a, by&#322;o to, &#380;e nigdy nie by&#322;o wida&#263; zbyt wielu graczy, poza tymi na nosebleedach, kt&oacute;rzy siedzieli znacznie wi&#281;cej godzin, ni&#380; mieli zakontraktowane. <\/p><p>10 godzin tygodniowo to nie jest du&#380;o i zak&#322;adaj&#261;c, &#380;e mogli tyle gra&#263;, wydawa&#322;o si&#281; dziwnym, &#380;e nie by&#322;o ich wi&#281;cej przy stolikach. Dlatego je&#380;eli ka&#380;dy gra&#322;by tyle, ile m&oacute;g&#322;by gra&#263;, mo&#380;na by si&#281; zastanawia&#263;, czy nie mog&#322;oby to by&#263; regularne, ale nikt tego nigdy nie sprawdza&#322;.<\/p><p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/Editorial\/elements\/ps_design_mark_gray.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" width=\"17\" height=\"12\" align=\"BOTTOM\"> <strong>PokerStrategy.com: <\/strong>Po&#347;r&oacute;d graczy chodzi&#322;y pog&#322;oski, &#380;e konto Red Pro mo&#380;na by&#322;o kupi&#263; za 50 000 $, czy s&#322;ysza&#322; pan co&#347; o tym?<\/p><p><strong>Nick Ferro:<\/strong> S&#322;ysza&#322;em co&#347; o tym, ale po Czarnym Pi&#261;tku, jednak nigdy nie by&#322;em &#347;wiadkiem takiego zdarzenia.<\/p><h2 class=\"western\">\"&#346;wiat kontrakt&oacute;w sponsorskich zmienia si&#281; dramatycznie, czuj&#281; si&#281; &#378;le, jak mam negocjowa&#263; lepsze warunki, faktycznie jest to niesamowicie trudne.\"<\/h2><p> <\/p><table border=\"0\" align=\"right\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/2011\/09\/23\/Online_Poker_at_Full_Tilt_Poker_-_Our_Team-_Full_Tilt_Pros.png\" alt=\"Team Full Tilt\" width=\"237\" height=\"309\" align=\"right\" style=\"margin-left: 12px;margin-bottom: 6px\"><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: center\"><em><span style=\"color: #888888\">Przed Czarnym Pi&#261;tkiem by&#322;o 250 Red Pros&oacute;w<br>&nbsp;<\/span><\/em><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table><p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/Editorial\/elements\/ps_design_mark_gray.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"17\" height=\"12\"> <strong>PokerStrategy.com: <\/strong>By&#322;y r&oacute;wnie&#380; pog&#322;oski, &#380;e Profesjonali&#347;ci Full Tilt Poker  byli ostrze&#380;eni o Czarnym Pi&#261;tku i powiedziano im, aby wyp&#322;acili swoje pieni&#261;dze. Czy by&#322; pan o tym powiadomiony? <\/p><p><strong>Nick Ferro:<\/strong> Mam do&#347;&#263; mocne prze&#347;wiadczenie o tym, &#380;e konkretne osoby wiedzia&#322;y, ludzie b&#281;d&#261;cy wy&#380;ej w &#322;a&#324;cuchu pokarmowym. Nasi profesjonali&#347;ci oraz niekt&oacute;rzy ludzie z obs&#322;ugi, czy zarz&#261;dzania teamem Full Tilt Poker, nigdy nie wiedzieli, co si&#281; &#347;wi&#281;ci, nie otrzymali wcze&#347;niejszego ostrze&#380;enia.  <\/p><p>Nasi gracze mieli z grubsza 300 000 $ &#347;rednio na stronie, kt&oacute;ra najwyra&#378;niej znikn&#281;&#322;a, dlatego by&#322; to dla nich ogromny cios finansowy. <\/p><p>Jedn&#261; rzecz&#261;, kt&oacute;r&#261; zauwa&#380;y&#322;em przed Czarnym Pi&#261;tkiem, by&#322;o to &#380;e niekt&oacute;rzy gracze zacz&#281;li przez Full Tilt Poker sp&#322;aca&#263; bardzo szybko pieni&#261;dze, kt&oacute;re byli winni innym. Mog&#281; by&#263; tutaj bardzo cyniczny, ale to da&#322;o mi do my&#347;lenia, &#380;e niekt&oacute;rzy mogli wiedzie&#263;.<\/p><p>Wi&#281;kszo&#347;&#263; graczy po prostu przerzuca&#322;o pieni&#261;dze na Full Tilt Poker, zamiast rozlicza&#263; si&#281; got&oacute;wk&#261;, wi&#281;c osoba, kt&oacute;ra dostawa&#322;a pieni&#261;dze nie mog&#322;a ich od razu wyp&#322;aci&#263;, a oni mieli  pewno&#347;&#263;, &#380;e otrzymaj&#261; je na powr&oacute;t.  <\/p><p>To mo&#380;e by&#263; z&#322;a analogia, ale by&#322;o troch&#281; tak, jak przypadku, gdy kto&#347; z mafii po&#380;ycza&#322; pieni&#261;dze od kogo&#347;, kogo za chwil&#281; mieli zabi&#263;. <\/p><p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/Editorial\/elements\/ps_design_mark_gray.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" width=\"17\" height=\"12\" align=\"BOTTOM\"> <strong>PokerStrategy.com: <\/strong>Jak ten skandal podzia&#322;a na agencje pokerowe oraz kontrakty sponsorskie w przysz&#322;o&#347;ci?<\/p><p><strong>Nick Ferro:<\/strong> &#346;wiat kontrakt&oacute;w sponsorskich zmienia si&#281; dramatycznie, czuj&#281; si&#281; &#378;le, jak mam negocjowa&#263; lepsze warunki, faktycznie jest to niesamowicie trudne. Nie widz&#281;, aby jaka&#347; z istniej&#261;cych agencji dawa&#322;a temu rad&#281;, a ci kt&oacute;rzy b&#281;d&#261; chcieli pozosta&#263;, b&#281;d&#261; musieli znale&#378;&#263; nowe &#378;r&oacute;d&#322;a dochod&oacute;w.  <\/p><p>Ostatnio w mediach pojawi&#322;o si&#281; wiele z&#322;ych informacji dotycz&#261;cych tej sprawy oraz skandali z oszukiwaniem. My&#347;l&#281;, &#380;e teraz b&#281;d&#261; musieli wprowadzi&#263; kontrakty oraz sprawdza&#263; przesz&#322;o&#347;&#263; gracza. Bran&#380;a agencyjna przyj&#281;&#322;a ogromny cios, zda&#322;em sobie z tego spraw&#281; na WSOP, minie du&#380;o czasu, zanim uda jej si&#281; po nim podnie&#347;&#263;.<\/p><p><span style=\"color: #888888\"><em>by Fizoloff<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>W tym tygodniu nie s\u0142yszeli\u015bmy zbyt wiele od graczy z mianem Red Pro na Full Tilt Poker, ale z\u0142apali\u015bmy agenta pokerowego, kt\u00f3ry negocjowa\u0142 warunki wielu kontrakt\u00f3w sponsorskich z Full Tilt Poker i uda\u0142o nam si\u0119 z nim porozmawia\u0107 na ten temat.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":18532,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"inline_featured_image":false,"_lmt_disableupdate":"","_lmt_disable":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-18531","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-world-of-poker"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.2 - 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