	{"id":39048,"date":"2021-10-30T14:00:00","date_gmt":"2021-10-30T14:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/pl\/ograniczenia-icm\/"},"modified":"2026-03-03T17:06:58","modified_gmt":"2026-03-03T17:06:58","slug":"ograniczenia-icm","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/pl\/news\/content\/Ograniczenia-ICM_119939\/","title":{"rendered":"Ograniczenia ICM"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<?xml encoding=\"utf-8\" ?><p><br>\n<br>\n<\/p><br><br><body>\n<figure class=\"modulRight\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/2021\/01\/22\/poker-chips.jpg\" alt=\"ICM\" width=\"228\" height=\"221\" caption=\"false\"><figcaption>Independent Chip Model jest wa&#380;ny, ale nie idealny<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Mog&#322;o wam to umkn&#261;&#263;, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/pl\/news\/content\/119758\/\">ale w najbli&#380;szych kilku miesi&#261;cach b&#281;dziemy bardzo du&#380;o rozmawia&#263; o ICM<\/a>. To najwa&#380;niejszy do opanowania koncept strategiczny z punktu widzenia gracza turniejowego, a zrozumienie go robi ogromn&#261; r&oacute;&#380;nic&#281;, gdy gra si&#281; o naprawd&#281; du&#380;e pieni&#261;dze.<\/p>\n<p>Maj&#261;c to na uwadze, trzeba zaznaczy&#263;, &#380;e ICM ma swoje ograniczenia i nie wyczerpa&#322;bym tematu, gdybym o nich nie wspomnia&#322;. Mam dla was trzy przyk&#322;ady sytuacji, w kt&oacute;rych ICM nie zawsze b&#281;dzie najlepsz&#261; odpowiedzi&#261; w turnieju, przez co podej&#347;cie do podejmowanej decyzji powinno by&#263; bardziej z&#322;o&#380;one.<\/p>\n<h2>ICM nie uwzgl&#281;dnia umiej&#281;tno&#347;ci<\/h2>\n<figure class=\"modulRight\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/2017\/05\/16\/guy_laliberte_antonio_esfandiari.jpg\" alt=\"icm\" width=\"800\" height=\"522\" caption=\"false\"><figcaption>ICM zak&#322;ada, &#380;e wszyscy gracze maj&#261; takie same umiej&#281;tno&#347;ci<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Wyliczenia ICM pokazuj&#261; warto&#347;&#263; stacka w oparciu o prawdopodobie&#324;stwo sko&#324;czenia turnieju przez wszystkich graczy na ka&#380;dej z pozycji. Nie bierze si&#281; w nich pod uwag&#281;, kt&oacute;rzy gracze s&#261; lepsi. Je&#347;li Michael Addamo mia&#322;by w turnieju taki sam stack jak ja, to w uj&#281;ciu ICM &#380;etony te by&#322;yby warte tyle samo.<\/p>\n<p>Najcz&#281;&#347;ciej nie ma to wi&#281;kszego znaczenia, poniewa&#380;&nbsp;<strong>im p&oacute;&#378;niejsza jest faza turnieju, tym mniejsz&#261; rol&#281; odgrywaj&#261; umiej&#281;tno&#347;ci<\/strong>. Przyk&#322;ad: Pros mo&#380;e mie&#263; 60% przewagi na stackach 100 BB, ale ju&#380; tylko 10% przewagi, gdy &#347;redni stack wynosi 25 BB.<\/p>\n<p>Nie znaczy to jednak, &#380;e tych przewag nie ma. Zawieranie deala na stole fina&#322;owym w oparciu o czysty ICM mo&#380;e nie by&#263; najlepsz&#261; opcj&#261; dla topowego prosa, kt&oacute;ry b&#281;dzie wygrywa&#322; cz&#281;&#347;ciej, ni&#380; mo&#380;e sugerowa&#263; to czyste equity.<\/p>\n<p>Przewaga umiej&#281;tno&#347;ci powinna te&#380; wp&#322;ywa&#263; na zakresy. Je&#347;li jeste&#347;my du&#380;o lepsi, mamy solidny stack, a struktura jest wolna, nie powinni&#347;my raczej ryzykowa&#263; wszystkich &#380;eton&oacute;w z bottomem zakresu, nawet je&#347;li ICM go aprobuje. Mo&#380;na poczeka&#263; na lepszy spot. W analogicznej sytuacji, gdy jeste&#347;my s&#322;absi skillowo i mamy ma&#322;o &#380;eton&oacute;w (tak ma&#322;o, &#380;e trudno nam osi&#261;gn&#261;&#263; kolejny pay jump), dobrym rozwi&#261;zaniem mo&#380;e by&#263; dla nas sprawdzanie szerzej, ni&#380; sugeruje to ICM, je&#347;li mamy dzi&#281;ki temu szans&#281; wr&oacute;ci&#263; do gry.<\/p>\n<h2>ICM nie bierze pod uwag&#281; przysz&#322;ej gry<\/h2>\n<figure class=\"modulRight\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/2021\/09\/27\/Endgame-digital-front.jpg\" alt=\"icm\" width=\"800\" height=\"1200\" caption=\"false\"><figcaption>Nowa ksi&#261;&#380;ka Barry'ego o ICM<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Wyliczenia, kt&oacute;re przeprowadzamy w naszej ksi&#261;&#380;ce&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/Endgame-Poker-Strategy-ICM-Book\/dp\/1399905007\/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;qid=&amp;sr=\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Endgame Poker Strategy<\/a> oraz wi&#281;kszo&#347;&#263; zakres&oacute;w, jakie zobaczymy w solverach ICM, daj&#261; nam poj&#281;cie o optymalnej decyzji, jak&#261; mo&#380;na podj&#261;&#263; w danym momencie. Da si&#281; z tego na przyk&#322;ad wyczyta&#263;, &#380;e w jakim&#347; spocie, bazuj&#261;c na rozmiarze swojego stacka, stack&oacute;w oponent&oacute;w oraz struktury wyp&#322;at, profitowe jest wrzucanie 18% r&#261;k z UTG.<\/p>\n<p>Te wyliczenia nie bior&#261; jednak pod uwag&#281; tego,&nbsp;<strong>co dzieje si&#281; po rzeczonym rozdaniu.<\/strong> Nie uwzgl&#281;dniaj&#261; wzrostu blind&oacute;w i\/lub konieczno&#347;ci wp&#322;acenia du&#380;ej ciemnej w nast&#281;pnym rozdaniu.<\/p>\n<p>Powiedzmy, &#380;e mamy 3000 &#380;eton&oacute;w, a big blind wynosi 1000. Zakres naszego shove'a mo&#380;e by&#263; gdzie&#347; w okolicach 35% r&#261;k. Gdyby jednak zdarzy&#322;o si&#281; tak, &#380;e nast&#281;pnym rozdaniu big blind wzro&#347;nie do 2000 i to my b&#281;dziemy musieli go wp&#322;aci&#263;, to wp&#322;ynie to na nasz zakres ju&#380; teraz, a tego wyliczenia ICM nie bior&#261; pod uwag&#281;. Prawdopodobnie powinni&#347;my wrzuca&#263; du&#380;o szerzej ni&#380; 35%, poniewa&#380; perspektywa umieszczania 66% stacka w ciemno w kolejnym rozdaniu jest straszna. Du&#380;o lepiej zaryzykowa&#263; od razu.<\/p>\n<h2>ICM si&#281; sypie, gdy stacki s&#261; ekstremalnie p&#322;ytkie<\/h2>\n<p>Istnieje fundamentalna zasada ICM, kt&oacute;ra m&oacute;wi, &#380;e&nbsp;<strong>im mniej mamy &#380;eton&oacute;w, tym wi&#281;cej wart jest ka&#380;dy z nich<\/strong>, a co za tym idzie, powinno si&#281; gra&#263; bardziej tight, a nie lu&#378;no, jak niekt&oacute;rzy mogliby sobie wyobra&#380;a&#263; gr&#281; na short stacku.<\/p>\n<p>S&#261; jednak punkty przegi&#281;cia, w kt&oacute;rych nie ma to zastosowania. Widzieli&#347;my to ju&#380; w przyk&#322;adzie z przysz&#322;&#261; gr&#261;, ale przegl&#261;daj&#261;c solvery, natkniemy si&#281; te&#380; na spoty, w kt&oacute;rych przez p&#322;ytko&#347;&#263; stack&oacute;w bardziej op&#322;aca si&#281; gra&#263; pod ChipEV. Jest to oczywi&#347;cie wzgl&#281;dne, je&#347;li mamy 5 big blind&oacute;w, gdy wszyscy maj&#261; ich 30, to faktycznie mo&#380;e tak by&#263;, ale je&#347;li mamy 5 big blind&oacute;w, gdy wszyscy inni maj&#261; ich 7, wtedy zasady ICM b&#281;d&#261; mia&#322;y zastosowanie.<\/p>\n<p>By pokaza&#263; ekstremalny przyk&#322;ad sytuacji, w kt&oacute;rej ICM si&#281; sypie, wyobra&#378;my sobie trzyosobowy spot, gdzie chip leader ma 30 000 &#380;eton&oacute;w, drugi gracz 20 000, a short stack 10 000. Szybka dystrybucja ICM sugerowa&#322;aby, &#380;e chip leader wygra 50% czasu, a w 15% przypadk&oacute;w sko&#324;czy ostatni.<\/p>\n<div class=\"tableWrapper\">\n<div class=\"tableWrapper--responsive\">\n<table class=\"tableDefault\">\n<caption><center>Procentowa szansa sko&#324;czenia na danym miejscu<\/center><\/caption>\n<thead>\n<tr>\n<th>Gracz<\/th>\n<th>1<\/th>\n<th>2<\/th>\n<th>3<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<\/thead>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td>Gracz 1 (30 000)<\/td>\n<td>50%<\/td>\n<td>35%<\/td>\n<td>15%<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Gracz 2 (20 000)<\/td>\n<td>33,3%<\/td>\n<td>40%<\/td>\n<td>26,7%<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Gracz 3 (10 000)<\/td>\n<td>16,7%<\/td>\n<td>25%<\/td>\n<td>58,3%<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>A co w sytuacji, gdy big blind wynosi 30 000, przez co wszyscy s&#261; zmuszeni wej&#347;&#263; all-in? W tym przyk&#322;adzie, by chip leader sko&#324;czy&#322; ostatni, Gracz 3 musi mie&#263; najlepsz&#261; r&#281;k&#281;, Gracz 2 drug&#261; najlepsz&#261; r&#281;k&#281;, a nast&#281;pnie Gracz 1 musi przegra&#263; jeszcze kolejne rozdanie, by odpa&#347;&#263; jako pierwszy. Sta&#322;oby si&#281; to w 6,2% przypadk&oacute;w, a nie w 15%. W tym przyk&#322;adzie chip leader wygrywa turniej du&#380;o cz&#281;&#347;ciej, ni&#380; sugerowa&#322;by to ICM.<\/p>\n<p>To bardzo ekstremalny przyk&#322;ad, w kt&oacute;rym umiej&#281;tno&#347;ci nie odgrywaj&#261; &#380;adnej roli. Nie jest on jednak tak niedorzeczny, jak mog&#322;oby si&#281; wydawa&#263;. Ostatnio znalaz&#322;em si&#281; na stole fina&#322;owym super szybkiego freerolla, na kt&oacute;rym chip leader mia&#322; cztery big blindy, a ka&#380;dy z czterech pozosta&#322;ych w rozgrywce graczy nie mia&#322; nawet dw&oacute;ch. Ka&#380;dy by&#322; praktycznie zmuszony do wchodzenia all-in w trakcie jednej orbity, a dynamika nie r&oacute;&#380;ni&#322;a si&#281; du&#380;o od tej, kt&oacute;r&#261; opisa&#322;em w poprzednim przyk&#322;adzie.<\/p>\n<p>Wydaje mi si&#281;, &#380;e wybra&#322;em trzy najpopularniejsze przyk&#322;ady ogranicze&#324; ICM, ale og&oacute;lnie rzecz bior&#261;c, nadal uwa&#380;am, &#380;e j<strong>est to najwa&#380;niejsza kwestia strategiczna&nbsp; w pokerze turniejowym<\/strong>. Z drugiej strony, warto zna&#263; te ograniczenia podczas podejmowania niecodziennych decyzji i dogadywania si&#281; na stole fina&#322;owym.<\/p>\n<p><em>Co jeszcze chcieliby&#347;cie wiedzie&#263; o ICM?<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><br>\n<\/p>\n<\/body>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Barry Carter napisa\u0142 niedawno ksi\u0105\u017ck\u0119 o ICM, ale jednocze\u015bnie chcia\u0142 pokaza\u0107, dlaczego ludzie nie powinni ufa\u0107 jej w 100%.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"inline_featured_image":false,"_lmt_disableupdate":"","_lmt_disable":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-39048","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-content"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.2 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Ograniczenia ICM - 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