	{"id":40436,"date":"2023-07-12T10:00:00","date_gmt":"2023-07-12T10:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/pl\/czy-fold-pre-z-asami-w-me-jest-kiedykolwiek-dobry\/"},"modified":"2026-03-03T18:42:42","modified_gmt":"2026-03-03T18:42:42","slug":"czy-fold-pre-z-asami-w-me-jest-kiedykolwiek-dobry","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/pl\/news\/content\/Czy-fold-pre-z-asami-w-ME-jest-kiedykolwiek-dobry_127755\/","title":{"rendered":"Czy fold pre z asami w ME jest kiedykolwiek dobry?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<?xml encoding=\"utf-8\" ?><p><br>\n<br>\n<\/p><br><br><body>\n<p>Jednym z efekt&oacute;w ubocznych pisania <a href=\"https:\/\/mybook.to\/satellite\">ksi&#261;&#380;ki o satelitach<\/a> jest to, &#380;e co roku przy okazji bubble Main Eventu WSOP jestem pytany o jaki&#347; problematyczny fold. Cz&#281;sto strategicznie poprawne jest <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/pl\/news\/content\/105326\/\">spasowanie as&oacute;w przed flopem w satelicie<\/a>, poniewa&#380; celem jest tam mincash, a nie wygranie ca&#322;ego turnieju. Jednak czy spasowanie as&oacute;w w normalnym turnieju mo&#380;e by&#263; kiedykolwiek poprawne??<\/p>\n<p>To pytanie pojawi&#322;o si&#281; w tym roku ponownie, po tym jak ten d&#380;entelmen ujawni&#322;, &#380;e spasowa&#322; asy w fazie <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/pl\/news\/world-of-poker\/127743\/\">bubble Main Eventu WSOP<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">BEST MOMENT OF <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/WSOP?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@WSOP<\/a>! <\/p>\n<p>CHIP LEADER OPENS ON STONE BUBBLE, 5 SEAT FOLDS ACES AND GETS SHOWN 86o!! <\/p>\n<p>Pure agony! <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/kv3cUEPOuu\">pic.twitter.com\/kv3cUEPOuu<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Frankie C (@FrankieCucc) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/FrankieCucc\/status\/1678501291151220736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">July 10, 2023<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Podejrzewam, nie znaj&#261;c nawet wielko&#347;ci stack&oacute;w, &#380;e by&#322; to niepoprawny fold. S&#261; jednak spoty w turniejach nie b&#281;d&#261;cych satelitami, w kt&oacute;rych spasowanie as&oacute;w przed flopem jest poprawne.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Wiele os&oacute;b uwa&#380;a, &#380;e &#8203;&#8203;moment do rozwa&#380;enia spasowania as&oacute;w w fazie bubble Main Eventu jest wtedy, gdy zderz&#261; si&#281; ze sob&#261; dwa du&#380;e stacki, podczas gdy w rzeczywisto&#347;ci <strong>w&#322;a&#347;ciwy moment na rozwa&#380;enie tego jest wtedy, gdy ma si&#281; bardzo ma&#322;o &#380;eton&oacute;w<\/strong>. Za&#322;&oacute;&#380;my, &#380;e w fazie bubble Main Eventu mamy po&#322;ow&#281; pocz&#261;tkowego stacka. Ten stack by&#322; wart 5000 $ na pocz&#261;tku Main Eventu, ale je&#347;li dojdziemy z nim do miejsc p&#322;atnych, b&#281;dzie wart 15 000 $. Nawet je&#347;li si&#281; podwoimy, nie zyskujemy wystarczaj&#261;co du&#380;o, wi&#281;c ca&#322;e nasze equity, jako gracza z bardzo ma&#322;ym stackiem, jest w mincashu.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Odpadni&#281;cie z du&#380;ym stackiem jest tak naprawd&#281; mniej katastrofalne, poniewa&#380; mincash w wysoko&#347;ci 15 000 $ stanowi&#322; tylko niewielk&#261; cz&#281;&#347;&#263; naszego equity.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Poprosi&#322;em <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/pl\/user\/BarryCarter\/profile\/\">ucznia<\/a>, aby, korzystaj&#261;c z <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/pl\/l\/hrc\/download\/\">Holdem Resources Calculator<\/a><\/strong>, przeprowadzi&#322; prost&#261; symulacj&#281;, kt&oacute;ra pomo&#380;e mi to zobrazowa&#263;. Jest to bubble 180-os SnG na PokerStars. UTG ma 1 BB i zaraz b&#281;dzie go wp&#322;aca&#263; w ciemno. Button ma 2BB, natomiast wszyscy inni po 100BB. Poni&#380;ej zakresy graczy, je&#347;li akcja b&#281;dzie do nich spasowana:<\/p>\n<figure class=\"modulFull\"><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/2023\/07\/11\/Screenshot_2023-07-11_115142.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/2023\/07\/11\/Screenshot_2023-07-11_115142.png\" alt=\"poker\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" caption=\"false\"><\/a><figcaption>Kliknij, aby powi&#281;kszy&#263;<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Na ch&#322;opski rozum mo&#380;na domniemywa&#263;, &#380;e stack 1BB i stack 2BB powinny gra&#263; dwiema dowolnymi kartami, ale sp&oacute;jrzmy, co tak naprawd&#281; jest prawid&#322;owe. UTG mo&#380;e gra&#263; przed flopem tylko z AA, a BU open folduje 100% r&#261;k, w tym r&oacute;wnie&#380; AA. BU pasuje 100% r&#261;k r&oacute;wnie&#380; wtedy, kiedy kto&#347; otworzy przed nim.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Podwojenie si&#281; jest raczej bezcelowe dla obu tych graczy, poniewa&#380; ich stack i tak jest zbyt ma&#322;y w stosunku do pozosta&#322;ych graczy. Ci gracze nigdy nie wygraj&#261; turnieju i zamiast tego s&#261; ze sob&#261; uwik&#322;ani w pseudosatelicie.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>To by&#322; teoretyczny przyk&#322;ad, ale w Main Evencie WSOP zdarz&#261; si&#281; spoty, kt&oacute;re b&#281;d&#261; bardzo podobne. Mo&#380;e nie dwa mega short stacki na jednym stole, ale na pewno kilka roz&#322;o&#380;onych po ca&#322;ej sali.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2>Wyliczenie swojego equity na bubble<\/h2>\n<figure itemscope=\"\" itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\" class=\"modulRight\"><img decoding=\"async\" itemprop=\"image\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/2018\/05\/01\/dara_poker.jpg\" alt=\"Dara O Kearney\" title=\"\"><figcaption itemprop=\"caption\">Dara O'Kearney&nbsp;<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Oto kilka szybkich porad z <a href=\"https:\/\/mybook.to\/ICM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Endgame PokerStrategy: The ICM Book<\/a>, jak wyliczy&#263; swoje equity w czasie rzeczywistym, aby podj&#261;&#263; tego typu decyzj&#281;.<\/p>\n<p>Mo&#380;emy z grubsza zorientowa&#263; si&#281;, jakie jest nasze equity na bubble, patrz&#261;c na to, co by by&#322;o, gdyby bubble p&#281;k&#322;o, a nast&#281;pnie u&#380;ywaj&#261;c tego jako przybli&#380;onej warto&#347;ci pieni&#281;dzy, kt&oacute;re ryzykujemy. <strong>Nasze equity po p&#281;kni&#281;ciu bubble szacujemy jako warto&#347;&#263; mincashu powi&#281;kszon&#261; o nasz procentowy udzia&#322; w pozosta&#322;ej puli nagr&oacute;d, w oparciu o odsetek posiadanych przez nas &#380;eton&oacute;w<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Za&#322;&oacute;&#380;my, &#380;e wpisowe to 100 $, jest 500 graczy, 60 wchodzi do kasy, a minimalna wyp&#322;ata to dwa razy wpisowe. Oznacza to, &#380;e gdy bubble p&#281;knie, ka&#380;dy ma zagwarantowane dwa wpisowe (&#322;&#261;cznie 120 wpisowych) i sw&oacute;j udzia&#322; w pozosta&#322;ej puli nagr&oacute;d (&#322;&#261;cznie 380 wpisowych) na podstawie posiadanych &#380;eton&oacute;w.<\/p>\n<p>Equity gracza, kt&oacute;ry przejdzie przez faz&#281; bubble ze stackiem startowym, b&#281;dzie warte dwa wpisowe plus 1\/500 z pozosta&#322;ych 380 wpisowych&nbsp;(0,76 buy-ina). Dok&#322;adnie equity wynosi&#322;oby wi&#281;c 2,76 buy-ina lub 276 $.<\/p>\n<p>Gdyby ten gracz wszed&#322; all-in w fazie bubble, m&oacute;g&#322;by zyska&#263; tylko jeden pocz&#261;tkowy stack (0,76 wpisowego) w equity, ale ryzykowa&#322;by 2,76 wpisowego. Oznacza to, &#380;e potrzebowa&#322;by 78% equity, czyli przeciwko dw&oacute;m losowym kartom pasowa&#322;by JJ, a przeciwko 20% topowego zakresu, jedyn&#261; r&#281;k&#261;, z jak&#261; m&oacute;g&#322;by sprawdzi&#263;, by&#322;yby asy.<\/p>\n<p>Je&#347;li gracz przejdzie przez faz&#281; bubble z pi&#281;cioma startowymi stackami, jego equity wyniesie dwa wpisowe plus 5\/500 pozosta&#322;ej puli nagr&oacute;d (3,8 wpisowego). Jego equity wynios&#322;oby 5,8 wpisowego, czyli 580 $. Gdyby ten gracz wszed&#322; all-in przed faz&#261; bubble, ryzykowa&#322;by 5,8 wpisowego, aby wygra&#263; 3,8. Szybkie obliczenie z wykorzystaniem Bubble Factor pokazuje, &#380;e potrzebuje 64% equity, co przy callowaniu przeciwko najlepszym 20% r&#261;k potrzeba JJ+ i AKs.<\/p>\n<p>To konkretne wyliczenie jest prawdopodobnie do&#347;&#263; zniech&#281;caj&#261;ce, je&#347;li nie jeste&#347; mistrzem liczenia w pami&#281;ci. Prawdopodobnie m&#261;drze jest go unika&#263;, je&#347;li nie czujesz si&#281; komfortowo, jednak je&#347;li d&#322;u&#380;ej uczysz si&#281; ICM, te wyliczenia staj&#261; si&#281; do&#347;&#263; istynktowne. Nawet m&oacute;j <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/pl\/user\/BarryCarter\/profile\/\">niezbyt bystry ucze&#324;<\/a> jest w stanie je wykonywa&#263;.<\/p>\n<p>W wi&#281;kszo&#347;ci przypadk&oacute;w, gdy kto&#347; pasuje z asami w fazie bubble Main Eventu, robi to z powodu emocji zwi&#261;zanych z pieni&#281;dzmi i\/lub presti&#380;em wydarzenia. S&#261; jednak faktyczne momenty, kiedy to jest prawid&#322;owe, je&#347;li lubi si&#281; pieni&#261;dze.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Nowa ksi&#261;&#380;ka <em>Dary O'Kearney'a <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/mybook.to\/icm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Endgame Poker Strategy: The ICM Book<\/a><\/strong> jest ju&#380; w sprzeda&#380;y.<\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><br>\n<\/p>\n<\/body>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dara O' Kearney przygl\u0105da si\u0119 ICM-owym plusom i minusom pasowania w bubble najwi\u0119kszego turnieju w pokerze.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":40437,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"inline_featured_image":false,"_lmt_disableupdate":"","_lmt_disable":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-40436","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-content"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.2 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Czy fold pre z asami w ME jest kiedykolwiek dobry? 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