	{"id":40729,"date":"2024-08-18T10:00:00","date_gmt":"2024-08-18T10:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/pl\/czy-to-zmowa\/"},"modified":"2026-03-03T19:01:23","modified_gmt":"2026-03-03T19:01:23","slug":"czy-to-zmowa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pokerstrategy.com\/pl\/news\/world-of-poker\/Czy-to-zmowa_132374\/","title":{"rendered":"Czy to zmowa?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html>\n<?xml encoding=\"utf-8\" ?><p><br>\n<br>\n<\/p><br><br><body>\n<p>Legendarny dyrektor turniejowy Matt Savage opublikowa&#322; ostatnio interesuj&#261;c&#261; ankiet&#281; na temat turnieju w Teksasie.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Should players in a tournament be allowed to agree to shove all-in blind preflop?<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Matt Savage (@SavagePoker) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/SavagePoker\/status\/1824222508624605535?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">August 15, 2024<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>W skr&oacute;cie <strong>czterech graczy zgodzi&#322;o si&#281; zagra&#263; all-in w ciemno ju&#380; w pierwszym rozdaniu<\/strong>. Savage nie skomentowa&#322; tego, ale zamie&#347;ci&#322; ankiet&#281;, z kt&oacute;rej wynika, &#380;e wed&#322;ug cz&#281;&#347;ci g&#322;osuj&#261;cych &#8203;&#8203;takie zachowanie mo&#380;e by&#263; traktowane jako forma zmowy.<\/p>\n<p>Zmowa w pokerze ma miejsce wtedy, gdy dw&oacute;ch lub wi&#281;cej graczy wsp&oacute;&#322;pracuje, aby wp&#322;yn&#261;&#263; na rezultat rozdania. Najcz&#281;stsz&#261; form&#261; zmowy jest wzajemne sygnalizowanie si&#322;y swoich r&#261;k. Inne formy obejmuj&#261; soft play (nieagresywne rozgrywanie r&#261;k przeciwko przyjacielowi) lub chip dumping (celowe przegrywanie &#380;eton&oacute;w na rzecz przyjaciela).<\/p>\n<h2>Komu to szkodzi?&nbsp;<\/h2>\n<p>Czterech graczy zgadzaj&#261;cych si&#281; na zagranie all-in w ciemno w turnieju jest zmow&#261;, poniewa&#380; dzia&#322;anie to wp&#322;ywa na graczy niebior&#261;cych udzia&#322;u w rozdaniu. Mo&#380;emy to zademonstrowa&#263; za pomoc&#261; nowego kalkulatora ICM w GTO Wizard.<\/p>\n<p>Oto ICM value na pocz&#261;tku MTT za 109 $ ze 150 graczami. Nie wszyscy s&#261; widoczni, poniewa&#380; jest jasne, &#380;e wszyscy maj&#261; to samo ICM value, kt&oacute;ra wynosi 103,81 $ (wpisowe minus prowizja).<\/p>\n<figure class=\"modulFull\"><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/2024\/08\/16\/Screenshot_2024-08-16_094343.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/2024\/08\/16\/Screenshot_2024-08-16_094343.png\" alt=\"poker\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" caption=\"false\"><\/a><figcaption>Stacki na starcie (Kliknij, aby powi&#281;kszy&#263;)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Przyjrzyjmy si&#281; teraz ICM value, gdy czterech graczy wchodzi all-in w ciemno. Usun&#261;&#322;em z puli trzech graczy, kt&oacute;rzy odpadli, wi&#281;c w przyk&#322;adzie zosta&#322;o 147 graczy, a zwyci&#281;zcy rozdania da&#322;em cztery pocz&#261;tkowe stacki:<\/p>\n<figure class=\"modulFull\"><a href=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/2024\/08\/16\/Screenshot_2024-08-16_094408.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/2024\/08\/16\/Screenshot_2024-08-16_094408.png\" alt=\"poker\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" caption=\"false\"><\/a><figcaption>Stacki po rozdaniu (Kliknij, aby powi&#281;kszy&#263;)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Zwyci&#281;zca nie zwi&#281;kszy&#322; czterokrotnie swojego equity, jego stack jest wart tylko 378,73 $, a nie 415,24 $. Gdzie podzia&#322;o si&#281; pozosta&#322;e 36,51 $ utracone przez wyeliminowanych graczy? <strong>Zosta&#322;o ono przyznane wszystkim pozosta&#322;ym graczom, z kt&oacute;rych ka&#380;dy zaobserwowa&#322; wzrost kapita&#322;u w&#322;asnego o 0,25 $<\/strong>. Tak w skr&oacute;cie wygl&#261;da ICM w turniejach: zawsze zyskujesz mniej equity, ni&#380; ryzykujesz. Pozostali gracze odnosz&#261; korzy&#347;ci z odpadni&#281;&#263; ze wzgl&#281;du na struktur&#281; wyp&#322;at.<\/p>\n<h2>Z&#322;y precedens<\/h2>\n<figure class=\"modulRight\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-origin.pokerstrategy.com\/2021\/06\/14\/wsop-crowded.jpeg\" alt=\"poker\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" caption=\"false\"><figcaption>Je&#347;li w jakikolwiek spos&oacute;b wp&#322;ywa to na innych graczy, powinno by&#263; zabronione<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Jest to zatem zmowa, ale <strong>specyficzna jej forma, w przypadku kt&oacute;rej ci, kt&oacute;rzy s&#261; w zmowie, nie odnosz&#261; korzy&#347;ci<\/strong>. Czterech graczy, kt&oacute;rzy wchodz&#261; all-in w ciemno, lekkomy&#347;lnie uprawia hazard, nie zyskuj&#261;c w ten spos&oacute;b EV, jakiego oczekiwaliby przy takim ryzyku. Prawdziwymi beneficjentami tego rozdania s&#261; wszyscy pozostali gracze, kt&oacute;rzy uzyskuj&#261; niewielki wzrost kapita&#322;u przy zerowym ryzyku.<\/p>\n<p>Pami&#281;tam czasy, gdy gracze mogli biega&#263; mi&#281;dzy sto&#322;ami podczas bubble satelit na &#380;ywo, a ci sprytni wracali do swojego sto&#322;u i og&#322;aszali, &#380;e komu&#347; na innym stole zosta&#322; ju&#380; tylko 1 BB i gdyby wszyscy spasowali, mieliby gwarancj&#281; wygrania wej&#347;ci&oacute;wki. To inna forma zmowy, kt&oacute;ra na pierwszy rzut oka wydaje si&#281; bardzo podobna do powy&#380;szego przyk&#322;adu, w tym sensie, &#380;e grupa graczy zgadza si&#281; co&#347; zrobi&#263;. Jest to co&#347; bardzo z&#322;ego. Takie post&#281;powanie pozbawia gracza z ma&#322;ym stackiem na drugim stole realnej szansy na przetrwanie. To dlatego wi&#281;kszo&#347;&#263; dyrektor&oacute;w turniejowych zmusza graczy do siedzenia podczas fazy hand-for-hand.<\/p>\n<p>Czy w zwi&#261;zku z tym, &#380;e bior&#261;cy udzia&#322; gracze nie odnosz&#261; korzy&#347;ci, powinno by&#263; to dozwolone? Nadal uwa&#380;am, &#380;e nie. Chocia&#380; poszkodowani s&#261; tylko ci, kt&oacute;rzy zgadzaj&#261; si&#281; zagra&#263; all-in w ciemno, <strong>istnieje wa&#380;ny precedens, kt&oacute;rego nie chcemy tutaj ustanawia&#263;<\/strong>. Je&#347;li gracze uzgodni&#261; mi&#281;dzy sob&#261; podj&#281;cie okre&#347;lonego dzia&#322;ania, gdy inni gracze pozostaj&#261;cy w turnieju nie s&#261; zaanga&#380;owani, mo&#380;na posun&#261;&#263; si&#281; dalej, do momentu, gdy nie b&#281;dzie ju&#380; na tyle jednoznaczne, &#380;e szkodzi to tylko tym, kt&oacute;rzy bior&#261; w tym udzia&#322;.<\/p>\n<p><i>Czy to powinno by&#263; dozwolone? Dajcie zna&#263; w komentarzu:<\/i><\/p>\n\n<p><br>\n<\/p>\n<\/body>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Czterech graczy zgodzi\u0142o si\u0119 zagra\u0107 all-in w ciemno na pocz\u0105tku turnieju. 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