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StrategyNo Limit Midstack

MSS - How to Play After the Flop

Introduction

In this article

  • Types of hands you can have on the flop
  • Different kinds of flops
  • When to bet and how much
  • The Postflop Charts
  • Examples

In this article we will discuss the basics of postflop play according to Mid Stack Strategy. After you familiarise yourself with the material here, you will be able to better understand what your goals on the flop are, and how your actions before the flop should coincide with these goals.

What kinds of hands can you have on the flop?

We will now list the various types of hands that you can have once the flop comes out - these can be built with your starting cards and the cards that are on the board. According to what you have on the flop you will play your hand differently.

The main distinction you can make is whether your hand is a made hand, a drawing hand, or alternatively a worthless hand.

Made hands

ТOP PAIR
You have a top pair when one of your starting hand cards gives you a pair with the highest card on the board.

If, for example, you have an ace and a queen, you will have a top pair every time the highest card on the board is either an ace or a queen.

It is also important what your second starting card (also called kicker) is. In the MSS for example you should only play your top pair if you have at least a jack as kicker.

Top pair:

Cards:   Flop:
OVERPAIR
If you have a pocket pair that is higher than all community cards, you have an overpair. No opponent can have a top pair better than your overpair.

If, for example, you have two aces and three lower cards are in the flop, you have an overpair.

Be careful with playing an overpair if you weren't the pre-flop aggressor (meaning, you haven't raised before the flop, for example when you were the Big Blind with a pair of sixes and checked pre-flop). Even though your pair of sixes might be an overpair on certain boards, don't go making big bets with your small pair if you haven't raised before the flop.

Overpair:

Cards:   Flop:
TWO-PAIR
In case both your starting cards hit a pair on the flop, you have a two-pair.
Remember: your two-pair is only a monster when you pair the board with both of your starting hand cards. If there is another pair on the board, play your hand as you would play a normal pair.

In other words: If there is a pair on the board and you hit another pair with one of your starting hand cards, your two-pair isn't really strong, since the pair on the board could give your opponent three-of-a-kind or even a full house.

Strong two-pair:

Cards:   Flop:

Weak two-pair:

Cards:   Flop:
THREE-OF-A-KIND
Three cards of the same rank gives you three-of-a-kind.

Three-of-a-kind is very strong, thus you should try to get as much money as possible from your opponents by betting and raising when you get one.

Three-of-a-kind:

Cards:   Flop:

A subtype of three-of-a-kind is a set.  This is when you have three cards of the same rank by using your pocket pair and one more card from the board.

 

Set:

Cards:   Flop:
You can read about the rest of the possible combinations in the article The rules of Texas Hold'em. Here they are once again in the order of their strength (weakest to strongest).

  • Straight
  • Flush
  • Full House
  • Four-of-a-kind/Quads
  • Straight Flush
  • Royal Flush

TWO-PAIR, THREE-OF-A-KIND, and all better hands are also called MONSTER hands.

Drawing hands

OPEN-ENDED STRAIGHT DRAW (OESD)
If your starting hand cards and the community cards together give you four cards in sequential order, you have an OESD. OESD stands for open-ended straight draw.
This means you don't have a straight yet. You are missing the fifth card on either end of the sequence, hence the name open-ended. There are 8 cards that could complete your straight in the example below, namely any one of the 4 aces or the 4 nines remaining in the deck.

OESD using both of your pocket cards:

Cards:   Flop:

You can also have an OESD by using only one of your pocket cards, like in the example below. Here any queen and any 7 will give you a straight.

OESD using one of your pocket cards:

Cards:   Flop:
GUTSHOT
A gutshot is a straight in which there is a card missing in the sequence. In order to complete your straight you will need to hit the missing card.
In this example you need a king to complete your straight. Your gutshot consists of an ace, queen, jack and a ten. The gutshot draw is not particularly strong, as there are only 4 cards in the deck that can complete it, namely the 4 kings. You should therefore consider a gutshot the same as any other trash hand, and play it as such.

Gutshot:

Cards:   Flop:
DOUBLE GUTSHOT
A double gutshot draw is a combination of two gutshot draws. Your starting hand and the cards on the board give you two different chances to complete a gutshot.
In the example below you have a gutshot draw with the ace, queen, jack and ten, and another gutshot draw with the queen, jack, ten and eight. As you can see, there are 8 cards that can help you (just like with an OESD), namely, any king or nine. A double gutshot draw is, in fact, just as strong as an OESD.

A double gutshot is actually more profitable to play than an OESD. The main reason is that it's much harder for your opponents to spot this draw.

Double gutshot:

Cards:   Flop:
FLUSH DRAW
When you have four cards of the same suit you have a flush draw. One more card of that suit would give you a flush.
A flush draw can be formed with either both of your starting cards and 2 of the cards on the board, or 1 card from your starting hand and 3 cards on the board. A board that has all 3 cards in the same suit is also called a monotone board.

Flush draw using both of your starting cards:

Cards:   Flop:

When you have a flush draw on a monotone board (see below), you should only play it if the card you are trying to make your flush with is a king or an ace. If your card is lower, consider it to be a trash hand, and play it accordingly.

Flush draw on a monotone board:

Cards:   Flop:
MONSTER DRAW
The monster draw is a combination of draws, such as a flush draw with an OESD. These draws give you more chances to make a strong hand than a flush- or a straight draw alone would.

You have a monster draw if you have:
  • Flush draw + OESD
  • Flush draw + gutshot
  • Flush draw + top pair
Although a monster draw is not a made hand, it is very strong, and it should be your goal to invest money with it by betting and raising.

Monster draw as a flush draw with OESD:

Cards:   Flop:

Also, you have a monster draw if you hold a flush draw and a gutshot: 

Monster draw as a flush draw with a gutshot:

Cards:   Flop:

If you have a made hand such as a top pair or overpair to your OESD or flush draw,  you also have a monster draw:

Monster draw as a flush draw with a top pair:

Cards:   Flop:
OVERCARDS
If you haven't hit any of the draws mentioned, and don't have a made hand either, but your two starting hand cards are both higher than all the cards on the board, then you have overcards.
This isn't a particularly strong draw, but should you hit a pair on a later street you can be sure it will be a top pair.

Overcards:

Cards:   Flop:
TRASH HANDS
When you don't hold either a draw, a made hand or overcards, your hand is not worth much, and can be called a trash hand.
Even if you have hit a bottom pair for example, you cannot really rely on it, as playing such hands will only lead to long-term losses.

Bottom pair (trash hand):

Cards:   Flop:

What kinds of flops are there?

The flop types can be classified mainly into two big categories: dry and drawy. With the MSS we almost always enter a hand by raising before the flop, so on the flop we can often make use of a tactic called a continuation bet (see the betting section below for more information). Dry boards are good for making a continuation bet, while drawy boards or several opponents on the flop are not good conditions for continued aggression, unless of course we hold a strong hand.
 
  • Dry board: A dry board does not make a lot of draws possible, perhaps even none at all. The fewer draws on the board, the drier it is.
  • Drawy board: A board is drawy when it makes a lot of potential draws possible, i.e. if there are lots of cards that could complete the draws of the involved players on the later streets.
It is important to be able to distinguish between dry and drawy boards, as our postflop actions are largely dependent on that. There is of course no clear line between a dry and a drawy board - it is more of a gradual progression between "absolutely dry" and "heavily drawy". Here however are a couple of guidelines to help you distinguish between the two:

In order to determine whether a board is dry or drawy, you look at how connected the flop cards are, and what suits are on the board. Connected cards are cards that are close to each other in rank; a queen and a jack, or a 7 and an 8 for example.

Dry boards:

Boards that contain a pair, or boards that contain one high card and two low ones are typically dry, as long as there are not more than 2 cards of the same suit. Here are some examples of dry boards:

 

Flop 1:
Flop 2:
Flop 3:
Flop 4:
     

Drawy boards:

A board is drawy if:
  • There are three connected cards
  • There are three cards of the same suit
  • There are two connected cards, and two cards of the same suit

Some examples of drawy boards:


Flop 5:
Flop 6:
Flop 7:
Flop 8:
     
As you progress in your poker career, you will learn more about the different board textures and how to play on them, but for now it is enough if you use the above criteria to determine if a board is drawy.

When and how much to bet


Generally you bet with good hands, and refrain from betting when your hand is weak. Depending on the situation however, it is profitable to make bets regardless of the hand you are holding.

HOW MUCH TO BET OR RAISE

The size of your bet varies depending on the different kinds of bets you make, and is relative to the size of the current pot (the total amount of money from bets on the table). When making a 1/2 pot-size bet for example, you bet $4 if the pot is $8 big. A 3/4 pot-size bet to an $8 pot is $6, etc. These amounts of course do not have to be exact, you only have to bet approximately the suggested sizes.

There is also one general rule when it comes to betting and raising:

  • Whenever you want to bet or raise and the amount to do so would have to be half of your remaining stack or more, you go directly all-in  .


WHEN YOU BET

Continuation bet:

After we have raised pre-flop we can often continue betting on the flop as well. The main reason behind a continuation bet is to keep up the aggressive play and try to take the pot down right away. Even if we don't have a made hand on the flop we can turn our momentum into advantage by betting.

  • When against only one opponent and on a dry board, you should bet 1/2 pot-size as a continuation bet.
  • On a drawy board or against 2 opponents your continuation bet should be bigger - about 3/4 of the total amount of money in the pot.


Value bet:

We have a strong hand and want to get money in the pot. We want opponents with weaker hands to call and stay in the hand. When this is the case, we are betting for value. If an opponent bets, we raise that bet when playing for value.

  • With a good hand that you want to extract money from, you bet around 3/4 of the pot.
  • When you want to make a raise, you raise to 3 times of the bet of your opponent.


Bluff bet:

Another possible purpose of betting: the bluff. We want to force opponents with better hands to fold so we can take the pot without a showdown. The continuation bet is sometimes a bluff bet, and as a beginner this should be the only bluff bet you make, as bluffing without a proper plan will only lead to very big losses.

WHEN YOU DON'T BET

Pot control:

In some situations, especially against several opponents or on a drawy board your hand is just not strong enough to play for all your chips. Your opponent might be holding hands that are weaker, but also hands that are possibly stronger than yours. When you're not sure about your hand, it's best to not invest a lot of money with it.

  • When you are playing for pot control you can call a bet as long as it is not more than 1/2 of the pot, and avoid betting yourself.
On the next page you will find the Postflop Charts, and several examples of hands.


The Postflop Chart

You will find some good guidelines on how to play the different hands after the flop in the Postflop Chart below:

Mid Stack Strategy - Postflop Chart

In the Postflop Chart you can see the different kinds of hands you can have, and the colouring of the hands shows you the different actions you should take with them. You can see for example, that hands should always be bet and raised when possible.

  • You use the Postflop Chart if you have raised before the flop.
  • With the (CHECK / FOLD) hands you check, and if the opponent bets, you fold.
  • With the (BET / FOLD) hands you make a continuation bet, but if you are raised or if the opponent bets before you, you fold your cards.
  • With the (BET / CALL) hands you make a bet, and if the opponent raises, you call the raise. If the opponent bets before you, you simply call the bet.
  • With the (BET / RAISE) hands you bet, and if you are raised by your opponent, you go all-in. If the opponent bets first, you raise their bet.

FLOP:

Your play on the flop depends on the texture of the flop and the amount of opponents you have. If you have only one opponent, and the flop is dry, you take actions according to the part of the chart saying "DRY BOARD and 1 OPPONENT".

If you have several opponents or the flop is drawy, play according to the "DRAWY BOARD or 2+ OPPONENTS" part.


TURN:

On the turn your decisions are easier - you bet with good made hands, monsters and monster draws. Everything else should be checked.


RIVER:

The actions on the river depend largely on your actions on the turn - if you have bet or raised on the turn, you play according to the "BET" line on the river. If you and your opponent(s) both checked the turn, look at the "CHECK" line.

 

Additionally, when playing a top pair or overpair according to the Postflop Chart, you can only do so if it is strong enough. If your overpair is too low, or if the top pair has a weak kicker (when you hit a top pair with one of your cards, your second starting card is called a kicker) you cannot play them profitably. If they do not meet the following criteria, consider them the same as trash hands:

  • Only play your overpair if it is a pair of sevens or better .
  • Only play your top pair if it is a  pair of tens or better with at least a jack kicker.

 

Examples

The following examples will demonstrate to you certain situations you can encounter on the flop after having raised preflop, and will show you how to use the Postflop Chart to handle them.

Bear in mind that the Postflop Charts merely provide you with certain general rules and guidelines as to how to play after the flop - in order to be able to handle the more difficult situations, and also to maximise your profit from this strategy it is imperative that you make use of all the complementary free materials and services our site provides, such as the hand evaluation boards.


EXAMPLE 1: We make a continuation bet
Before the flop - NL10 - Blinds: $0.05/0.10 - 9 Players
You are on the button with
  • All players before you fold.
  • You raise to $0.30. You have $3.50 remaining.
  • The player in the Big Blind calls.
Flop - Active Players: 2 - Pot: $0.65
  • Your opponent checks.
  • You bet $0.35. You have $3.15 remaining.
  • Your opponent folds.

You raised before the flop with a king and a queen and one player called. Then he checked to you on the flop. You didn't hit a pair or anything better, but on this dry board and against only one opponent the Postflop Chart advises you to make a continuation bet even with trash hands.

Since the board is dry, your bet should be approx. 1/2 of the pot, but this doesn't have to be an exact amount. In this example your bet was $0.35. Betting $0.30 or $0.40 wouldn't have been a mistake either; the important thing is that you make your continuation bet.

If your opponent calls or raises you, you will have to give your hand up.

EXAMPLE 2: We don't make a continuation bet
Before the flop - NL10 - Blinds: $0.05/0.10 - 9 Players
You are in late position with
  • All players before you fold.
  • You raise to $0.30. You have $3.70 remaining.
  • The player in the Small Blind calls.
  • The player in the Big Blind calls.
Flop - Active Players: 3 - Pot: $0.90
  • Your opponents check.
  • You check.
Turn - Active Players: 3 - Pot: $0.90
  • Your opponents check.
  • You bet $0.70. You have $3.00 remaining.
  • Your opponents fold.

Once again you raised with a king and a queen, and the players in the Small and the Big Blind called. This time the flop is rather drawy, since the cards are well connected and make straight- and flush draws possible.

Additionally there are two opponents, and either of them might have very well hit something on this flop. The strategy says to refrain from making a continuation bet on a drawy flop like this, and instead try to take a look at the turn card for free, so you should check here with your overcards.

The good thing about overcards is that when you hit, you hit a top pair. On the turn you have a made hand, so you can go on betting as you normally would for value with such a hand - approximately 3/4 the size of the pot.

EXAMPLE 3: A small pair against several opponents
Before the flop - NL10 - Blinds: $0.05/0.10 - 9 Players
You are in late position with
  • One player in middle position calls the Big Blind.
  • You raise to $0.40. You have $3.40 remaining.
  • The player in the Small Blind calls.
  • The player in the Big Blind calls.
  • The player in middle position calls.
Flop - Active Players: 4 - Pot: $1.60
  • Your opponents check.
  • You check.
Turn - Active Players: 4 - Pot: $1.60
  • Two opponents check.
  • One opponent bets $0.90.
  • You fold.

You don't have a made hand on this somewhat drawy flop, and you also have three opponents, which increases the chances of them hitting the flop in one way or another.

On the turn you can fold easily, as you still don't have a made hand, and the queen has possibly completed a draw of an opponent.
EXAMPLE 4: Value bets
Before the flop - NL10 - Blinds: $0.05/0.10 - 9 Players
You are in early position with
  • Everybody before you folds.
  • You raise to $0.30. You have $3.80 remaining.
  • The player in the Small Blind calls.
Flop - Active Players: 2 - Pot: $0.70
  • Your opponent checks. 
  • You bet $0.50. You have $3.30 remaining.
  • Your opponent calls.

Turn - Active Players: 2 - Pot: $1.70
  • Your opponent checks.
  • You bet $1.20. You have $2.10 remaining.
  • Your opponent calls.
River - Active Players: 2 - Pot: $4.10
  • Your opponent checks.
  • You check.

We have an overpair on the flop, and the board is quite drawy, making flush- and straight draws possible. We bet here not only to extract value from weaker hands, but also to protect ourselves from the draws our opponents may have.

Again, it is important to bet around 3/4 of the pot - this way we can protect our hand sufficiently.

The opponent calls our bet on the flop, and we see the turn. We bet again with our overpair, and the opponent does not give up - we get called again.

The river makes our hand a lot weaker - it is not an overpair anymore - so our best line here is to check after our opponent, and see the showdown for free. The other player could have a better hand, and the weaker hands would just fold to our bet, so it's not worth investing too much money here.
EXAMPLE 5: Pot control
Before the flop - NL10 - Blinds: $0.05/0.10 - 9 Players
You are the Big Blind with
  • One player in middle position calls.
  • You raise to $0.40. You have $3.50 remaining.
  • Your opponent calls.
Flop - Active Players: 2 - Pot: $0.95
  • You bet $0.70 ($2.80 remaining).
  • Your opponent calls.
Turn - Active Players: 2 - Pot: $2.35
  • You check.
  • Your opponent checks.
River - Active Players: 2 - Pot: $2.35
  • You check.
  • Your opponent checks.

We hit a top pair and make a continuation bet on the flop, and the opponent calls it. On the turn our hand has lost some value and is not a top pair anymore. We cannot bet it for value, and should play it same as a trash hand. Our opponent could easily have a better hand than ours, and at the same time it's not very likely that worse hands will pay us out if we do bet.

We want to see the showdown with our pair, but don't want to invest too much money into such a marginal hand, therefore we keep the pot small by checking again on the river.
EXAMPLE 6: Draw-play
Before the flop - NL10 - Blinds: $0.05/0.10 - 9 Players
You are on the button with
  • All players before you fold.
  • You raise to $0.30. You have $3.80 remaining.
  • The player in the Big Blind calls.
Flop - Active Players: 2 - Pot: $0.65
  • Your opponent checks. 
  • You bet $0.35. you have $3.45 remaining.
  • Your opponent calls.
Turn - Active Players: 2 - Pot: $1.35
  • Your opponent checks.
  • You check.
River - Active Players: 2 - Pot: $1.35
  • Your opponent bets $0.80.
  • You fold.

We were the preflop aggressor, so we make a continuation bet on the somewhat dry flop, and keep the aggression up. It doesn't matter that we do not have a made hand now - we make use of our aggression preflop. Since the board is not very drawy, we bet about 1/2 of the pot - $0.35.

The turn doesn't help us, and since the opponent doesn't show much aggression, we can slow down and take the free card instead. Betting is not a good idea, as our opponent might very well have made a pair of aces here, which he will not fold so easily.

Since we eventually missed our flush, we can now simply fold to our opponent's bet on the river.


The Freeplay Chart

When you enter the hand by checking in the Big Blind before the flop, you are in the position of so-called freeplay (since nobody has raised your Big Blind before the flop, you get to see the flop for free). When in freeplay, you have not raised before the flop either, so your actions postflop will have to differ somewhat from those in the Postflop Chart:

Mid Stack Strategy - Freeplay Chart

Apart from using the Freeplay Chart only when you got to see the flop for free, the way of using it is the same as with the Postflop Chart.

  • You use the Freeplay Chart if you have not made a raise before the flop.

Examples

These examples are for when you have entered the hand in freeplay:
EXAMPLE 7: Freeplay
Before the flop - NL10 - Blinds: $0.05/0.10 - 9 Players
You are the Big Blind with
  • A player in middle position calls.
  • The player on the button calls.
  • You check.
Flop - Active Players: 3 - Pot: $0.35
  • You bet $0.25. You have $3.75 remaining.
  • Your opponents call.
Turn - Active Players: 3 - Pot: $1.10
  • You bet $0.80. You have $2.95 remaining.
  • One opponent folds.
  • One opponent calls.
River - Active Players: 2 - Pot: $2.70
  • You bet $2.95 (all-in).
  • Your opponent folds.

You get to see the pot for free, and you catch a flush draw and a gutshot - a monster draw. You bet your monster draw (approx. 3/4 of the pot, as you are up against 2 players), and the opponents call.

On the turn your draw has improved further; you now hold a flush draw and an OESD - also a monster draw. You bet the turn for value, 3/4 pot-size, and one player calls.

Your monster draw resulted in a straight on the river, so you want to bet for value, but making a bet of 3/4 pot ($2.00) would be more than half of your remaining stack and leave you with only $0.95 - so you go directly all-in.
EXAMPLE 8: Freeplay
Before the flop - NL10 - Blinds: $0.05/0.10 - 9 Players
You are the Big Blind with
  • The player in the Small Blind calls.
  • You check.
Flop - Active Players: 2 - Pot: $0.20
  • The SB bets $0.20.
  • You fold.

 

Even though you have an open-ended straight draw on the flop, it is not a particularly strong one, and the Freeplay Chart tells you that you should "CHECK / FOLD" your OESD in a freeplay pot. This means that you would make a check with this hand yourself, but fold it if the opponent bets before you.

Summary

Hopefully you now have a better understanding of the play on the flop. If you want to go on however, and become more proficient in the MSS, you are advised to read the higher-level articles, participate in our live coaching sessions, watch our videos, and use our professional hand evaluation services to let our coaches analyze your hands.

In this article you have learned ...

  • ...the different types of hands, and how you should play them.
  • ...when you should bet and when it is better to refrain from betting.
  • ...the different kinds of flop textures and how to handle them.
  • ...what the Postflop Charts and how to use them.
 

Comments (38)

#1 Zeffke, 21 Feb 11 16:46

According to the post-flop chart, you should bet the river in example 4 with the queens...<br /> <br /> In fact it's the only situation in which you can fire the river after checking the turn with a second pair, because the chart says not to bet the turn with second pair however you should bet the river with it, which is overplayed imo

#2 PotapovSergey, 21 Feb 11 18:15

Humm, not sure what exactly is the problem, but the Chart definitely says not to bet anything but a TP+ on the river...<br /> <br /> And second pair is played same as a trash hand, also according to the chart.

#3 JHTAN, 21 Feb 11 18:26

It says bet/fold, does it means bet and fold to minraise also? Can I call the minraise? Thanks

#4 PotapovSergey, 21 Feb 11 20:43

#3: Of course you can adjust the strategy according to what you think is best in the situation. A chart can only be as good, but it provides very solid guidelines for the rookies. Same for your question:<br /> <br /> If you are ever in doubt, refer to the chart, and you won't get in trouble.<br /> <br /> If however you already have an idea of what you're doing and why, feel free to adjust accordingly, and don't forget - the strategy is for new players to enter into the game and learn the ropes - you probably won't want to challenge Phil Ivey after reading this. ;)<br /> <br /> Later on, feel free to educate yourself further with the MSS material we provide. For example:<br /> <br /> http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/sss/1793/1/<br /> http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/sss/1809/1/<br /> http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/sss/1810/1/<br /> http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/sss/1812/1/

#5 mineriva, 22 Feb 11 05:04

How can you have a "Monster Draw" on a dry board?<br /> <br /> or<br /> <br /> Any Draw on the river?

#6 BadeaCelRau, 22 Feb 11 05:56

If you raise AK and flop TPTK you should bet/fold?

#7 dashe, 22 Feb 11 10:17

Hero on the button AK raise, BB-call. Flop A39 rainbow, BB-donks, Hero-fold ?

#8 PotapovSergey, 22 Feb 11 14:30

#5: KhQh on a 2hQd7h for example. Or KdJd on AdTd3h, etc... You can have a draw on the river, but it is then a busted draw and is therefore worthless.<br /> <br /> Regarding any questions about TP: This is not about any specific situations, but about the OVERALL EV fo this move. There can of course be situations where Bet/Fold might not be optimal, but in general this IS the right way to play your TP as a beginner with the preflop behaviour of the MSS - if you get into a pot after there was a raise/call preflop or raise/3-bet/call preflop, your opponent usually has something to play with. A donk or a raise on the flop thus signifies strength. You can often be behind with your top pair in such situations, so for beginners especially, this line is more than suitable.<br /> <br /> In the articles linked above you will find more advanced ways to play your hands postflop.

#9 nightbeat80, 22 Feb 11 18:33

I thought mss is for 'advanced players' ,and it appears there are too many doubts in these charts ...

#10 mineriva, 22 Feb 11 19:38

@Potapov: I dont realy see 2hQd7h as dry flop but I can see how it could be discribed as such.<br /> <br /> You can never have a draw on the river! What is the differance between a busted draw and trash on the river?

#11 PotapovSergey, 22 Feb 11 21:58

#9: This MSS is for complete beginners, there is an advanced MSS in the Gold section, which you have access to :)<br /> <br /> #10: There is no difference, you play them the same. But for a beginner it is better to be sure that indeed, you have to fold your draw, no matter how nice it looks.

#12 fruitcake1, 23 Feb 11 16:25

playing the mss since yesterday and seems to be working out, hope everyone doesn't do it though :,

#13 gordy1957, 24 Feb 11 11:58

how would you play the river in example 4 if you were OOP and first to act?

#14 PotapovSergey, 25 Feb 11 15:34

#13: If we are out of position, the whole hand would have been played differently: we either would have raised more preflop if he limped, or 3-bet his openraise, so the pot would be bigger, etc...<br /> <br /> But in general the way of playing your hand according to the Basic MSS does not depend on whether you are IP or OOP - and the charts reflect that. So a simple answer to your question would be: "you'd play it the same".<br /> <br /> In the following articles we will of course take positions and other aspects of the game into consideration as well.

#15 cccyan, 05 Mar 11 14:06

According to the postflop chart, how much should I bet for a top pair on the turn?

#16 joon9108, 06 Mar 11 10:54

according to the raising chart,<br /> you can't raise with suited king and ten...but in example 6, how come you raise?

#17 joon9108, 06 Mar 11 10:56

according to the raising chart, suited king and ten isn't the hand you're suppose to raise with....<br /> <br /> but how come you raise in example6?

#18 PotapovSergey, 07 Mar 11 10:02

#16: We are on the Button, and everybody before us has folded. This means we can make a steal raise, and we look at the Steal-Resteal Chart. The chart says KT is good enough to make a steal, so we raise our KTs.<br /> <br /> #15: Basically you only bluff as a continuation bet on the Flop, all the other times when you bet it is because you have a good hand, so it's a value bet. Thus you should bet 2/3 to 3/4 of the pot, or if that would mean using more than half of your stack, you just go all-in.

#19 33gao, 13 Mar 11 05:12

What should we do with overpair in river of CHECKED situation?<br /> <br /> What should we do with overpair in the FreePlay situation?

#20 mastera11, 14 Mar 11 21:01

How exactly do you get Monster draw on a dry board?! And why on earth would you fold TP/TK if bet into or raised? For example you raise AQ, flop Q92 or something similar and fold to a donk bet or raise?

#21 mastera11, 14 Mar 11 21:04

Sorry, I just read the previous posts about TP, but still don't think it's optimal play especially at levels lower than NL50. However I still don't understand how do I get monster draw on a dry board...

#23 PotapovSergey, 15 Mar 11 11:53

#19:<br /> <br /> - And how exactly would you get an overpair on the River if you checked the Turn? :)<br /> <br /> - Also, from the article: "Only play your overpair if it is a pair of sevens or better". If you have an overpair in freeplay, it is only a pair of sixes or less (as you would raise a 77+ before the flop), and you shouldn't get too trigger-happy with such hands.<br /> <br /> #21: Look at post #8 for examples to your question.

#24 CRI4BRA, 05 Apr 11 23:01

this strategy is made exactly to produce the maximum amount of mgr possible, while keeping the working player breakeven<br /> <br /> it has the same 'bull's eye' as short stack strategy<br /> <br /> well done poker strategy

#25 davidoffbcn, 25 Apr 11 10:38

2 questions about Example#4:<br /> <br /> - How would you play on River after a 1/2 Pot Bet, 3/4 Pot Bet or All-In from opponent? What shall we play in each case? (Do we assume he has hit with the K, or do we assume he's just bluffing...?)<br /> <br /> - Same thins as above, how would you play on River if opponent Bets either 1/2, 3/4 or All-in (thus, no mini-raise), if third Spades or Hearts Card was on the Board, thus making Flush possible...? (Do we assume he's got a Flush, or is he possible just bluffing...)<br /> <br /> I would rather Fold quicker on the second case, therefore assuming he had been waiting for the Flush... In the first case I would probaby assume he's only bluffing. Would you agree on that? <br /> <br /> Thanks!

#26 PotapovSergey, 27 Apr 11 10:54

#25: Hey davidoffbcn - I believe that for detailed questions, such as the one you've posted above, you are much better off with our strategy forums: <br /> http://www.pokerstrategy.com/forum/board.php?boardid=1540<br /> <br /> You should find more responses from more people there.

#27 mrbeast87, 02 Jun 11 23:26

Imagine this scenario:<br /> I'm in the button with AK.<br /> Pre-flop: MP3 calls, I raise 4BB, everyone folds and MP1 calls my raise.<br /> FLOP: K 2 7<br /> Post-flop: MP3 bets. According to the post-flop chart I should fold my top pair?

#28 mrbeast87, 08 Jun 11 10:24

I see my question got no answer, but in a dry flop, against only 1 opponent, holding top pair with top kicker is a very strong hand. You should review the postflop chart...

#29 PotapovSergey, 09 Jun 11 09:06

#27: Thank you for your input mrbeast87, see comments #7 and my reply #8 for an answer to your questions, cheers.

#30 stortilt, 22 Jul 11 16:00

Thx for this. <br /> <br /> I did start to build my bankroll at stars with this and i doing ver good after 20khands now at nl10

#31 clubpokerforever, 01 Jan 12 09:25

if before flop I raise and he call,but on flop,he bet first,not me,Can I use The Postflop Chart?

#32 pokerstu32, 01 Apr 12 19:26

so for top pair top kicker bett all the way seems exsesive

#33 errrrm, 20 May 12 21:31

I have been following this strategy religiously for over 20k hands but so far its not profitable at 50NL. Any idea if it is recommendable to use it at 50nl ? Is this strategy good enough to beat 50nl ? or should only use it at lower limits ? thanks!

#34 windar021, 10 Nov 12 04:10

OK, planning to start this one out.. and Ive seen some comments about TPTK like AK asking if we should fold once raised... I guess first of all this is very player dependent if you are OOP and being raised by someone who is maybe 8/7 or 9/8 I guess its best line is to b/f and b/f turn and ofcourse c/f river unless theres a small river bet.. buts its kinda hard to fold it.. but if you got raised on the flop by a player w 30/25 stats then its Jamming time!!

#35 windar021, 10 Nov 12 04:13

on #4 I guess checking behind is the best option there aint to many worst hands that will call.. we will get calld either by a KX float or top pair or set over slowplaying(not thinking about the draw) thinking that we can still make a bet on the river..

#36 anthipas, 19 Nov 12 16:36

If i have a middle pair like 99, TT, JJ what should i do on a dry or on a drawy board? TY

#37 theheapps, 01 Mar 13 12:26

Because I live in the U.S. I cannot play online. I play Live 100-300 Capped NLHE, with $2 SB and $3 BB. I buy in for $120 (40 BB). After 200 yours my results are so far positive. Is this MSS worth playing in "Live" games?

#38 arturs2148RNMD, 12 Mar 13 21:39

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#39 Ilpolainen, 16 Apr 13 09:23

I know top pair is not a worth much with a lousy kicker. But how does it work with drawing-hands. I had J8 spades and free flop against one player. Flop -> 2s, Ts, Jc. In this situation would you consider it being a monster draw even, if the top pair has an 8-kicker? It would feel very bad not to play this (although I've folded much better hands :)<br /> <br /> Further more: how should I react to post-oak-bets -> Everyone folds, but sb raises I 3-bet AKs from BB -> SB calls. The board is dry but has one spade. -> Opponent raises min-bet, which seems to be somewhat ridiculous. Id like to (re)-raise a normal raise. Opponen calls. Still dry -> I check, opponent does it again? -> still kind-of dry and opponent bets quite small bet, but naturally I fold. What would you do at turn and flop?<br /> <br /> I quite often<br /> find myself in these situations.